Give it time!

oketex

Member
Joined
Nov 5, 2008
Messages
506
Reaction score
4
Guys I have followed basketball for more years than most of you have been around, I like this team. No, I don't like the loss but these kids grew up a lot tonight. I have read some of the post already and there is way to much negative, this team made mistakes in the final 6 mins and they didn't know how to correct them, they will learn a lot from this game.

I will agree with one post that ask, why didn't Lon call a time out but our kids played really good on the road. They may not make the NCAA tourny this year but I can see the NIT, they should win around 18 games and guys that is more than most of us thought before the season.

Happy New Year!
 
Guys I have followed basketball for more years than most of you have been around, I like this team. No, I don't like the loss but these kids grew up a lot tonight. I have read some of the post already and there is way to much negative, this team made mistakes in the final 6 mins and they didn't know how to correct them, they will learn a lot from this game.

I will agree with one post that ask, why didn't Lon call a time out but our kids played really good on the road. They may not make the NCAA tourny this year but I can see the NIT, they should win around 18 games and guys that is more than most of us thought before the season.

Happy New Year!

:clap amen oketex
 
I'm with you, oketex. I expected a more decisive loss tonight, to tell you the truth, so I'm excited on the one hand that we were in position to win a tough game on the road.

I was disappointed in our play down the stretch, but as I've said elsewhere, the officiating stunk to high heaven. But there was much to feel positive about tonight. Even with our missteps in the final minutes, Cincy wouldn't have won it without major help from the officials. They were allowed to foul repeatedly on defense with rarely a whistle heard, and when a pressing defense is given that much leeway, they're going to rattle all but the most experienced and talented of teams.
 
I officiated college ball for 25 yrs and the basket that Ciny made to tie it up the kid carried the ball on his hip which should have been called before he made the basket and then we would have had the ball with a lead and less than 2 mins. I don't know if it would have changed the out come but it still should have been called.
 
I officiated college ball for 25 yrs and the basket that Ciny made to tie it up the kid carried the ball on his hip which should have been called before he made the basket and then we would have had the ball with a lead and less than 2 mins. I don't know if it would have changed the out come but it still should have been called.

I thought the same thing. If we could get some officiating like that at home, we would win some home games people don't expect us to win.
 
I officiated college ball for 25 yrs and the basket that Ciny made to tie it up the kid carried the ball on his hip which should have been called before he made the basket and then we would have had the ball with a lead and less than 2 mins. I don't know if it would have changed the out come but it still should have been called.

That was a very frustrating missed call because it was so obvious. The kid also took a bunch of steps. Oh well. That is college ball on the road
 
That was a very frustrating missed call because it was so obvious. The kid also took a bunch of steps. Oh well. That is college ball on the road

Was that the play when Wright also got the plus-1 call?

Osby was fouled every bit as badly when he scored on the ensuing play to give OU the lead. Had we gotten that call (and assuming he would hit the free throw), we'd have gone to overtime.

We can rag on our team if we want, and there are things to be disappointed in, no doubt, but it's been a while since I've seen a game I thought was more impacted by the officials down the stretch than this one.
 
Was definitely a travel...but blaming the officiating is a joke. OU had this game won.
 
Pretending officiating can't have a major impact on a basketball game is a joke. Cincy doesn't win that game without help from the officials, period. We hurt ourselves, no doubt; I've not suggested otherwise. But when the pressing team gets free rein to create havoc on defense and the team with the lead gets called for touch fouls, comebacks happen.

Throw in the fact that we're a young team without much depth in the backcourt, and it's a recipe for disaster.
 
Pretending officiating can't have a major impact on a basketball game is a joke. Cincy doesn't win that game without help from the officials, period. We hurt ourselves, no doubt; I've not suggested otherwise. But when the pressing team gets free rein to create havoc on defense and the team with the lead gets called for touch fouls, comebacks happen.

Throw in the fact that we're a young team without much depth in the backcourt, and it's a recipe for disaster.

Refs were fine...This falls on the players and coaches. Grooms, Pledger and Blair couldn't handled their full court trap. If Fitz would have took a pass from Grooms instead of trying to set a screen on 2 people to get Grooms free...we could have broken that press. Grooms kept allowing that trap and then Fitz would go add more cluster for Grooms to get around.

They took bad shots the whole game. Every shot Clark took was forced. Just bad offense.
 
Pretending officiating can't have a major impact on a basketball game is a joke. Cincy doesn't win that game without help from the officials, period. We hurt ourselves, no doubt; I've not suggested otherwise. But when the pressing team gets free rein to create havoc on defense and the team with the lead gets called for touch fouls, comebacks happen.

Throw in the fact that we're a young team without much depth in the backcourt, and it's a recipe for disaster.

You are totally correct! I could not believe some of the calls made and calls that should have been made and were not! It was one of the worst officiating jobs I've seen in quite a while. We still could have won though.
 
Refs were fine...This falls on the players and coaches. Grooms, Pledger and Blair couldn't handled their full court trap. If Fitz would have took a pass from Grooms instead of trying to set a screen on 2 people to get Grooms free...we could have broken that press. Grooms kept allowing that trap and then Fitz would go add more cluster for Grooms to get around.

They took bad shots the whole game. Every shot Clark took was forced. Just bad offense.

I really can't think of any shots that were bad shots. Most of them were good
 
Yeah, I thought the offense, considering the harassment, was good. Until the last 6 minutes, that is :( :( :( :(

Heartbreaking loss, but we did a ton better than I thought we would. I think it's time to realize that this team is good on D. Not pretty good, but dang good.


Argh! I really wish the refs had just called over the back honestly. I can deal with the touch fouls, but the rebounding fouls or lack thereof were horrid and obviously biased.
 
You are totally correct! I could not believe some of the calls made and calls that should have been made and were not! It was one of the worst officiating jobs I've seen in quite a while. We still could have won though.

lol, this exact post can be found after any close loss.
 
lol, this exact post can be found after any close loss.
That's true, but the officiating was a factor in this game, especially during their run. It's not surprising that when we weren't getting slapped with questionable fouls we built a 12 point lead. And when touching them meant points while touching us meant turnover they were able to get it turned around...
 
That's true, but the officiating was a factor in this game, especially during their run. It's not surprising that when we weren't getting slapped with questionable fouls we built a 12 point lead. And when touching them meant points while touching us meant turnover they were able to get it turned around...

Exactly right. And it also is an illustration of the comment that Coach Kruger made after the game. A confident, mentally tough team can adapt to the situation you describe. This team has come a long way from where they were last year with regard to confidence and toughness but they still have a ways to go. You can't change how the officials call the game, but you can change how you react to it.
 
That's true, but the officiating was a factor in this game, especially during their run. It's not surprising that when we weren't getting slapped with questionable fouls we built a 12 point lead. And when touching them meant points while touching us meant turnover they were able to get it turned around...

While it may have been a factor, that's life on the road and has been forever. I prefer to concentrate on plays such as Neal's and Fitz's consecutive misses on the front end of a one and one, those are the sequences that cost you games.
 
While it may have been a factor, that's life on the road and has been forever. I prefer to concentrate on plays such as Neal's and Fitz's consecutive misses on the front end of a one and one, those are the sequences that cost you games.
No doubt! Free throw shooting killed us and saved them. :(
 
If you cant or dont play defense any better than we did the last few minutes, you shouldnt win - you should lose and we did.
 
While it may have been a factor, that's life on the road and has been forever. I prefer to concentrate on plays such as Neal's and Fitz's consecutive misses on the front end of a one and one, those are the sequences that cost you games.

Absolutely no one has denied that our play down the stretch contributed to our defeat.

Limit your focus if you wish, but I prefer to explore all the various factors that played a role in the loss, including but not limited to the poor officiating. Those missed free throws didn't cost us the game any more (or less) than the terrible calls and non-calls in the final minute of the game did.

If Wright had been called for traveling on his drive that, with the plus-one, gave Cincy the lead, we'd have had the ball with the lead. Or if, on the ensuing play, they'd called the foul that was undeniably committed against Osby on his scoring play, we might well have won, as his free throw, if good, would have given us a two-point lead, and the Bearcats would only have tied the game with their final basket.

Again, no one's denying that Neal's missed free throws hurt or that our defensive failings in the final couple of minutes played a role. But no more so than the lousy officiating.

The difference is, of course, our performance was within our own control -- it's the factor(s) we can do something about -- but we're still fully entitled to call out the officiating. It helped Cincy get on a roll they otherwise would not have gotten on. A young team on the road is already having to deal with a team playing on its home court and a hostile crowd. When the officials decide to side with the home team, too, that's a recipe for disaster, as we saw.

We overcame the consistently poor officiating for most of the game, but eventually Cincy's press (which was aided by the lack of whistles) and the suddenly rowdy crowd rattled us. We obviously have to get to the point that that doesn't happen.
 
Back
Top