Highschool coach views Briles and Baylor

[sybarite]

"There are endless things to say about the ongoing developments at Baylor, and with many facts still missing, it’s hard to say anything utterly definitive, but I felt like it was worth sharing a quote from a former high school football coach that claims to have known Art Briles on a personal level for decades:

'This day has been decades in the making. All the shady, vile, amoral attitude and behavior of Art Briles' "win at any cost" philosophy has finally caught up to him. He's been racking up a debt against Karma for years and now the bill has finally come due. You reap what you sow, Art. You reap what you sow. This day is for the high school kids you tacitly encouraged to inject poison into their bodies. This day is for the high school kids whom you openly encouraged to play dirty in order to intimidate the opposition. This day is for the high school kids who suffered severe dehydration and needed hospitalization because you prevented air conditioning in the visitor's locker room in order to gain a competitive advantage. This day is for the high school coaches who had to put up with game film missing entire offensive series of your teams so you'd have a competitive advantage. This day is for the high school coaches who you refused to shake hands with after they upset you and ended your winning streak. This day is for the college coaches who had to put up with your false allegations of recruiting violations when you didn't get the kid you wanted. This day is for the college kids who you blocked their transfer when they wanted to be closer to their ailing parents and siblings. This day is for the college kids whom you enabled to continue to do bad things at the expense of learning accountability and integrity so you could continue to win games. But mostly, this day is for the young women whose lives were destroyed by your lack of morality, humanity, and decency. This day is the end of your career on the sidelines. And if you stop to listen, you can hear above the anguished cries of self-righteous indignation from your cult of Baylor fans in Waco the sweet, melodious chorus of justice from heaven's angels. May their anthems ring in your ears for eternity.'

So with that, to all the Baylor people that continue to blindly defend Art Briles, I say shame on you. And to all the Baylor fans that are patting themselves on the back and self-congratulating Baylor for “doing the right thing,” shame on you too. The right thing to do was to fire Briles last August when this dumpster fire of pure evil finally came to light. Instead, Baylor and its fans chose to defend Briles at the most disgusting levels. They screamed that this was all a conspiracy and that people were just jealous of their success. Well guess what Baylor? The only conspiracy were the sickos at your "Christian" school going to criminal lengths to cover up rape. As it appears, the Baylor Board of Regents only fired Briles because Ken Starr threatened, and still does, to go public with what the external investigation found. Starr refused to be a scapegoat, leaked that he told the regents to release the full external report, and left the regents no choice but to fire Art Briles. Just a few days ago, after getting the Pepper Hamilton external report, the regents were planning on canning Starr and doing everything they could to keep Briles. So now Baylor wants people to celebrate them for making the hard decision and “doing the right thing” after actively harboring a Rape Enabler for years? Give me a break Baylor. You didn’t chose to “do the right thing.” You were pinned into a corner and forced to."

Does this not sound like the same thing that we have been saying all along about Baylor's support of Kim Mulkey? Notice that the coach admonishes Baylor fans who continue to support Briles as long as possible. He wins.

This is from the rivals board citing a post on the Texas Rivals board.

 

[j2d2]

I am an attorney and am skeptical about allegations from anybody about anybody. Here I am sorely tempted to accept these allegations as fact. They are entirely in keeping with Briles conduct as head coach and so get the benefit of the doubt until traversed.

 

[tycat947]

Does this not sound like the same thing that we have been saying all along about Baylor's support of Kim Mulkey? Notice that the coach admonishes Baylor fans who continue to support Briles as long as possible. He wins.

This is from the rivals board citing a post on the Texas Rivals board.

Yes. She may not have done the things he did but she was really the beginning of the culture of "win at all costs" at Hypocrite U. The hypocrites support her unconditionally as long as she wins.

 

[NMSooner'80]

Yes. She may not have done the things he did but she was really the beginning of the culture of "win at all costs" at Hypocrite U. The hypocrites support her unconditionally as long as she wins.

And the funniest thing is, their fans think she's a high-character person.

I'm sure Mulkey will send Briles a Christmas card for making her life that much easier. She can act like a horse's rear to her heart's content now - and can fall back on the "at least my players haven't killed or raped anyone yet..."

But seriously, that was an incredible post by that unnamed Texas prep coach who knew what a scumbag Briles always was. It should have really been clear to all OU fans what he was about when Oakman speared Trevor Knight in Norman that awful day in 2014. And the POS even got away with it.

The people who really ought to also hang their heads in shame are (A) those other Texas prep coaches who kept funneling talent to Briles because he "was one of them" (a prep coach of the not-so-distant past), (B) the media in Texas who made him into a heroic figure for the "great Baylor turnaround, and (C) any rival fan base who wanted to fire their own coach to pursue Briles. That might have even happened with some OU fans back in 2014.

 

[NMSooner'80]

http://www.star-telegram.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/mac-engel/article80593937.html


Saw this one while in the area (Rangers-Pirates game on Sunday). You know it's a big-time cesspool of slime when a Texas writer puts this scandal above "Dennehy-gate" and the "Pony Excess" days.

 

[sybarite]

And the funniest thing is, their fans think she's a high-character person.

I'm sure Mulkey will send Briles a Christmas card for making her life that much easier. She can act like a horse's rear to her heart's content now - and can fall back on the "at least my players haven't killed or raped anyone yet..."

But seriously, that was an incredible post by that unnamed Texas prep coach who knew what a scumbag Briles always was. It should have really been clear to all OU fans what he was about when Oakman speared Trevor Knight in Norman that awful day in 2014. And the POS even got away with it.

The people who really ought to also hang their heads in shame are (A) those other Texas prep coaches who kept funneling talent to Briles because he "was one of them" (a prep coach of the not-so-distant past), (B) the media in Texas who made him into a heroic figure for the "great Baylor turnaround, and (C) any rival fan base who wanted to fire their own coach to pursue Briles. That might have even happened with some OU fans back in 2014.

Actually, it still happens to occur among OU fans---just not so much in football. We have constant reminders that Kim is more successful than Sherri (recently) by those who consistently ignore the behavior and rules violated. The only difference is that none of the women's team raped anyone. Otherwise, it is the same behavioral problems for the same reasons---winning at all costs.

 

[SoonerNorm]

If Baylor hires the right coach and if that coach can keep their players and recruits from defecting, they won't suffer too bad. OU has been through a serious situation with Switzer. Gibbs turned around our image although he didn't win enough to keep his job but at least the "renegade program" tag had been removed.

 

[SoonerSpock]

If Baylor hires the right coach and if that coach can keep their players and recruits from defecting, they won't suffer too bad. OU has been through a serious situation with Switzer. Gibbs turned around our image although he didn't win enough to keep his job but at least the "renegade program" tag had been removed.

Hopefully it will take Baylor as long to get back to their performance levels of 2013 and 2014 as it took OU to get back to the Switzer level of play of 1986-88 (1988-2000). I could enjoy the Baylor program going south for about 11 years.

 

[SoonerSpock]

If Baylor hires the right coach and if that coach can keep their players and recruits from defecting, they won't suffer too bad. OU has been through a serious situation with Switzer. Gibbs turned around our image although he didn't win enough to keep his job but at least the "renegade program" tag had been removed.

Hopefully it will take Baylor as long to get back to their performance levels of 2013 and 2014 as it took OU to get back to the Switzer level of play of 1986-88 (1988-2000). I could enjoy the Baylor program going south for about 11 years.

 

[SoonerNorm]

Hopefully it will take Baylor as long to get back to their performance levels of 2013 and 2014 as it took OU to get back to the Switzer level of play of 1986-88 (1988-2000). I could enjoy the Baylor program going south for about 11 years.

It might, it will depend on which coach they hire. OU was set back for a long time because they hired Gibbs then Schnellenberger then Blake before they finally hired Stoops. Not smart.

 

[SoonerSpock]

It might, it will depend on which coach they hire. OU was set back for a long time because they hired Gibbs then Schnellenberger then Blake before they finally hired Stoops. Not smart.

No doubt who they hire is key. The question becomes what established coach will want the job. But based on the decision made at the time I do not consider Gibbs a bad hire. He was an effective coach with .657 winning percentage working in dire circumstances (following a legend, probation and massive bad national press). Also there was no way to know for certain that he was the coach that could lead the Sooners back to the promised land. As has been the norm he had no track record as a head coach.

Moreover, OU's MO has always been to promote assistants generally from within. Think Wilkinson, Jones, MacKenzie, Fairbanks, Switzer, Gibbs, Blake and Stoops. And I would not be surprised if Stoops replacement comes from his staff.

Now Snelly and Blake were another case. It was obvious that Schnellenberger was not a fit and that hire is definitely on Donnie Duncan. Dumb, dumb, dumb. Switzer's loyalty to John in pushing for Blake was also a very very big mistake. Everyone in the know should have seen he was way too green.

 

[SoonerNorm]

I agree Gibbs was not a bad hire. He had a difficult job of cleaning up a cesspool while trying to win football games and recruit during a very difficult time.

I've always felt if Barry would have turned the team discipline over to Merv we would have been much better off. Barry did a lot of things well, especially recruit, but he was too easy when it came to discipline.

 

[Sooner04]

It might, it will depend on which coach they hire. OU was set back for a long time because they hired Gibbs then Schnellenberger then Blake before they finally hired Stoops. Not smart.

You can live with the Gibbs hire. He was snakebit.

The mushroom cloud developed after Schnelly and then full-on fallout after Blake. We were lucky to make it back after two disaster hires like that.

 

[SoonerSpock]

I am sure Barry discussed discipline issues with his staff but not Barry's style to acquiesce on issues as big as team discipline. Barry just wanted to treat them like men before they were men. That and his understanding of the disadvantaged black kid raised in the rural southwestern United State including the ghettos of Texas was very different than those raised in the ghettos of Southern California and Detroit, Michigan in the 1980's. A different breed of cat!! Probably more similar today than different.

 

[SoonerSpock]

You can live with the Gibbs hire. He was snakebit.

The mushroom cloud developed after Schnelly and then full-on fallout after Blake. We were lucky to make it back after two disaster hires like that.

Probably more than lucky. But we also need to not forget Joe Castiglione hired Bob Stoops. Donnie Duncan hired both Snelly and Blake. About the only really good hires I can recall Duncan making in his eleven years as AD were Kelvin Sampson and Patty Gasso. Joe C. has had many great hires. Bob Stoops, Lon Kruger, Mark Williams, John Roddick, Ryan Hybl, K.J. Kindler, Martin Smith, Leeanne Crain, and Sunny Golloway (very successful but disliked by the Semore clan). Stoops, Roddick, Kindler and Williams have all won 11 national championships.

 

[Sooner04]

Probably more than lucky. But we also need to not forget Joe Castiglione hired Bob Stoops. Donnie Duncan hired both Snelly and Blake. About the only really good hires I can recall Duncan making in his eleven years as AD were Kelvin Sampson and Patty Gasso. Joe C. has had many great hires. Bob Stoops, Lon Kruger, Mark Williams, John Roddick, Ryan Hybl, K.J. Kindler, Martin Smith, Leeanne Crain, and Sunny Golloway (very successful but disliked by the Semore clan). Stoops, Roddick, Kindler and Williams have all won 11 national championships.

DD hired Larry Cochell. Got to give him credit for that.

And Sunny was disliked by everybody. ldwt356:

 

[SoonerSpock]

DD hired Larry Cochell. Got to give him credit for that.

You are right Cochell was hired in 1991. My bad. Sunny was not disliked by everybody as I knew several influential alums and fans in his corner. I would agree that many if not most were not fond of him. I had mixed emotions. He was a winner but he was a prick which is sometimes difficult to replace. I know Sunny was not Joe's first choice as Joe first hired Gene Stephenson who resigned within hours. Sunny got the job in part because he had Cochell in his corner and he brought Sunny back to Norman in 2004. For certain he was not a players coach as I had family that played for him at Oral Roberts and Sunny was not high on my family member's totem pole nor many of the other players. Sunny's focus was too much on Sunny. But Sunny was a winner and that is what you hire coaches to do.

There is probably another coach of a minor sport that I have oversighted for both Donnie and Joe. At my age my memory lapses far more than I would like.

 

[sybarite]

Here's how it works.

Step 1
A recruits sends a request to the NCAA asking out of his LOI.

Step 2
The NCAA notifies the institution in question and the institution is given 30 days to rule on this request.

Step 3
Release is given by school or denied by school.

Step 4
If denied, then the NCAA asks school why release was not granted.

Step 5
NCAA then decides whether or not to grant release regardless of what university had decided. The NCAA, not Baylor, has the final say.

In all, you're looking at a 30-45 day process unless Baylor changes its current course.

Baylor officials have told recruits that they are unwilling to grant recruits a release. At least one such meeting occurred between a Baylor official and the parent of a recruit yesterday.

Baylor is setting itself up for the worst possible kind of PR move.

Baylor would be better off giving a full release to any and all players -- both recruits and current players on their own team -- than try to restrict any student-athlete from moving elsewhere. That would help the Bears during the penalty phase of the NCAA because that is coming in a big, big way. To think otherwise is a fools errand.

If Baylor gave full releases, Baylor would likely keep most of its current players, at least the ones that really matter, and keep some of their recruits. By doing so, they would also look like they are being helpful to kids instead of forcing rules on kids that didn't sign up for this coach or a program and university that is in disarray.

Instead, Baylor is going to try to play hardball with recruits and its student-athletes and they're likely going to get spanked by the NCAA's paddle even harder.

I don't know who is advising Baylor on its tactics with recruits and its football program, but they are setting Baylor up for an even harder fall. Really not smart people.

http://texas.247sports.com/Board/21/Contents/Release-from-LOI-45589936

Apparently, Baylor intends to require recruits to attend Baylor unless forced by the NCAA.

Some parents object:
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/r...or-bears-recruits-ask-national-letters-intent

Nobody knew that Baylor was like this? Really?

 

[MsProudSooner]

Apparently, Baylor intends to require recruits to attend Baylor unless forced by the NCAA.

Some parents object:
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/r...or-bears-recruits-ask-national-letters-intent

Nobody knew that Baylor was like this? Really?

I guess Baylor is following the Texas Tech PR example.

 

[Big12]

Apparently, Baylor intends to require recruits to attend Baylor unless forced by the NCAA.

No, Coach Grobe intends to talk to the recruits and their parents and try to convince them to stay with Baylor. That's apparently why the NCAA allows 30 days for the university to decide what to do. Coach Grobe is an honorable man and will permit any recruit to transfer if that is what is still wanted after the meeting.