Most disgsting thing I've ever seen (KU)

[Mr.B!!!]

That Self was actually able to get a review on a non-call, non-foul was disturbing. B12 should fine him and suspend the officials. Sorry, i"m still put out about 88'.

 

[WTSooner]

I don't know what everybody is so up in arms about in regards to this. That is EXACTLY the kind of play the refs are suppose to be reviewing with the new rule. Personally, I don't like the new rule. I think it's stupid. But it is the rule, and they are suppose to review stuff like that. They did, and they got it right. What exactly is the problem?

 

[skyvue]

The problem is, they reviewed it in between two OU free throws. What caused that timing? Why did they, in effect, ice Cam (I think it was Cam) to appease King Bill?

What would have happened if they'd ruled that there was elbow-to-chin contact? Would that have negated the foul for which Cam was shooting free throws? Surely not--and if not, then why did the review take place between two Sooner free throws?

Because the head coach of KU demanded it?

 

[Mr.B!!!]

The problem is, they reviewed it in between two OU free throws. What caused that timing? Why did they, in effect, ice Cam (I think it was Cam) to appease King Bill?

What would have happened if they'd ruled that there was elbow-to-chin contact? Would that have negated the foul for which Cam was shooting free throws? Surely not--and if not, then why did the review take place between two Sooner free throws?

Because the head coach of KU demanded it?

This.

That it even went under review should be enough.

 

[opsooner]

It was my understanding that a coach can ask for a review of a potential flagrant. However, I also believed that if it was not detected then the challenging team would be assessed a timeout and if they did not have one they would be assessed a technical. Does anyone know if KU had a timeout at the time???? Perhaps the rules has been amended and this is no longer the case?

When I watch the replay it appears to me that this was all a set-up. Releford grabs Cam's arm and pulls it down while Johnson comes in with folded arms into Cam's back and makes a whiplash reaction with his head. Of course, we all remember Cam was called for the Flagrant 1 (much debated here) in an earlier game as well so this adds to my suspicion of a set-up.

 

[mict085]

I think if a play is reviewed, it should be right away. In this case, they should've reviewed the play before the FT. Once the refs allowed the FT, the opportunity to review the play should be gone. Also, if a player is holding the ball over his head, as he should, and the other team is hacking away, the refs need to be quicker calling the foul to prevent excessive BS. I don't like the idea of calling any contact above the shoulders a flagrant. If its a BB play it should be no call. If its flagrant, call it so.

 

[KCRuf/Nek]

On a scale of one to ten as far as KU bootlicking goes that was about a four. I've seen plenty worse than that in 40 years. although, I must say, it was sort of crappy to do that away from AFH/KC.

 

[campbest]

It was my understanding that a coach can ask for a review of a potential flagrant. However, I also believed that if it was not detected then the challenging team would be assessed a timeout and if they did not have one they would be assessed a technical. Does anyone know if KU had a timeout at the time???? Perhaps the rules has been amended and this is no longer the case?

When I watch the replay it appears to me that this was all a set-up. Releford grabs Cam's arm and pulls it down while Johnson comes in with folded arms into Cam's back and makes a whiplash reaction with his head. Of course, we all remember Cam was called for the Flagrant 1 (much debated here) in an earlier game as well so this adds to my suspicion of a set-up.

lol, come on man.

As WT said and I did in another thread, this type of thing is allowed by rule. It wasn't Self or the officials' error, just following the rules passed down by the committee, who oddly enough, the coaches sit on.

And it's not a problem because it happened between two OU free throws...until the ball is in-bounded or team possession has changed, then it becomes an issue.

 

[KCRuf/Nek]

lol, come on man.

As WT said and I did in another thread, this type of thing is allowed by rule. It wasn't Self or the officials' error, just following the rules passed down by the committee, who oddly enough, the coaches sit on.

True but I was a bit confused by waiting until after the first free throw. I will admit I don't know the rules on when you can challenge or have it looked at. I always firgured it was similar to the NFL where you had to do it before play resumed.

 

[campbest]

True but I was a bit confused by waiting until after the first free throw. I will admit I don't know the rules on when you can challenge or have it looked at. I always firgured it was similar to the NFL where you had to do it before play resumed.

But "play" hasn't resumed.

 

[Max Power]

If you can score a point, which cam did, then technically play has resumed. A free throw is a basketball play

 

[OUFan]

Does it really matter? Sooners WON so get over it!

 

[campbest]

If you can score a point, which cam did, then technically play has resumed. A free throw is a basketball play

No it hasn't. Rule is consistent from high school to college.

Hypo: player is injured on a play where a shooting foul occurred and is subbed out. Other team makes two free throws and the injured player tries to check in before the ball is in-bounded. He has to wait because you can't a single player re-enter the game until "play" has resumed.

 

[campbest]

Does it really matter? Sooners WON so get over it!

This.

 

[Bk2X]

We had no clue what they were doing while sitting in the stadium. Resumed play and still no explanation for the huge break.

 

[NMSooner'80]

On a scale of one to ten as far as KU bootlicking goes that was about a four. I've seen plenty worse than that in 40 years. although, I must say, it was sort of crappy to do that away from AFH/KC.

I don't think it would have bothered me that much if they'd just made a quick decision. The longer it went on, the worse I expected it to get for OU. That was serious icing of our shooter (Clark).

I'm not all that sure that Hield's dunk at the end shouldn't have counted, but it's all good in the end.

 

[skyvue]

Does it really matter? Sooners WON so get over it!

Yeah, OU won, but that was a very strange -- some would say questionable -- sequence in the game, and we're discussing it. Nothing wrong with that.

I've never seen it happen that way in a game, that a coach gets to ice a player between free throws by asking for a video review. We made the second free throw and we won the game, so all is well, but it was still a weird sequence of events.

 

[campbest]

Yeah, OU won, but that was a very strange -- some would say questionable -- sequence in the game, and we're discussing it. Nothing wrong with that.

I've never seen it happen that way in a game, that a coach gets to ice a player between free throws by asking for a video review. We made the second free throw and we won the game, so all is well, but it was still a weird sequence of events.

My guess is that an official might have thought there was something there, but passed on what he perceived as no contact. Self brings it up and because the official knows something might be there, they pretty much have to take a look at that point. If for some reason there was contact, it wasn't called or not reviewed, that crew will be in deep poop with their superiors (i.e. being removed from future games). Contact above the shoulders is really stressed these days, even though I think the rule is a bit excessive.

Sitting in the stands or at home, it is easy to question the validity of the review given the timing, but it was the right call.

 

[WTSooner]

My guess is that an official might have thought there was something there, but passed on what he perceived as no contact. Self brings it up and because the official knows something might be there, they pretty much have to take a look at that point. If for some reason there was contact, it wasn't called or not reviewed, that crew will be in deep poop with their superiors (i.e. being removed from future games). Contact above the shoulders is really stressed these days, even though I think the rule is a bit excessive.

Sitting in the stands or at home, it is easy to question the validity of the review given the timing, but it was the right call.

That is exactly how I saw it as well.

 

[Escape Goat]

I think Self's plugs are the most disgusting thing, but that's just me.