OU's metrics AFTER last night

[ocugolfsooner]

RPI: #4
BPI: #4
KenPom: #5
Bracketology: 1 seed
Jerry Palm: 2 seed (top 2 seed)

We are still in good position if we get the ship righted. A win at a banged-up WVU would be huge and is doable. We are certainly slipping, but this year there just aren't really any great teams. Let's hope the swoon is coming early this year, rather than in March.

 

[IndySooner]

RPI: #4
BPI: #4
KenPom: #5
Bracketology: 1 seed
Jerry Palm: 2 seed (top 2 seed)

We are still in good position if we get the ship righted. A win at a banged-up WVU would be huge and is doable. We are certainly slipping, but this year there just aren't really any great teams. Let's hope the swoon is coming early this year, rather than in March.

You see teams every year go through a bad February and come out on fire in March. Let's hope we're that team this year.

 

[geeoh]

Yeah, I'm only going to be alarmed if we play this poorly in the Big 12 tournament.

 

[OUSKINS]

Yeah, I'm only going to be alarmed if we play this poorly in the Big 12 tournament.

None of this matters if we continue to play the way we have the past two weeks-- hopefully everyone understands that. We must find a second wind and regain some shooting touch.

But it's nice to see that our stellar start is providing us an opportunity to suffer through this lull without major ramifications if we can right the ship soon.

Beat OSU, Baylor, TCU, and EITHER WVU or UT and I think we lock up a #2 seed before the B12 tourney even begins. The issue will be if we lose both of those games and/or one of the other three. That's when I think we enter 3 or even 4 seed territory and would have to play our way higher in KC.

 

[MNsooner]

As long as we get out of the funk before the tournament, then I am not worried.

 

[OUSKINS]

As long as we get out of the funk before the tournament, then I am not worried.

I think it could be too late then... if the funk continues through the regular season, we could continue to fall and possibly fall all the way out of the OKC region (if we lose to OSU, Baylor, etc.) If the funk persists much longer it will hurt our seeding-- and contrary to popular opinion, seeding matters quite a bit in the Dance. Just look at the difference between the #12 seed we played (ND State) and the #14 seed we played (Albany). Same holds true in the second round, etc... I think we can afford maybe ONE more dud and then we will need to right the ship before it's too late and drop too far in terms of seeding.

 

[skyvue]

I think it could be too late then... if the funk continues through the regular season, we could continue to fall and possibly fall all the way out of the OKC region (if we lose to OSU, Baylor, etc.) If the funk persists much longer it will hurt our seeding-- and contrary to popular opinion, seeding matters quite a bit in the Dance. Just look at the difference between the #12 seed we played (ND State) and the #14 seed we played (Albany). Same holds true in the second round, etc... I think we can afford maybe ONE more dud and then we will need to right the ship before it's too late and drop too far in terms of seeding.

Who's moving ahead of us in seeding?

UNC? As many losses as we have, they lost last night, just like we did, and we rank higher in all the metrics. Iowa? More losses than we have, they lost last night (to a much worse team) and we rank higher in the metrics. Maryland, Virginia, MSU? As many or more losses than we have (correction: Maryland has just 4 losses to our 5).

If other teams were surging and I really thought our troubles would continue, I'd be more worried, but who's surging? None of the teams I cited above. The longest current winning streak in the entire group is one game.

KU could be said to be surging and Villanova (though we've got the head-to-head against Nova, and our schedule is much tougher); that's it. West Virginia, whom I didn't mention above, has lost 2 of 3.

 

[ocugolfsooner]

Who's moving ahead of us in seeding?

UNC? As many losses as we have, they lost last night, just like we did, and we rank higher in all the metrics. Iowa? More losses than we have, they lost last night (to a much worse team) and we rank higher in the metrics. Maryland, Virginia, MSU? As many or more losses than we have.

If other teams were surging and I really thought our troubles would continue, I'd be more worried, but who's surging? None of the teams I cited above. The longest current winning streak in the entire group is one game.

KU could be said to be surging and Villanova (though we've got the head-to-head against Nova, and our schedule is much tougher); that's it. West Virginia, whom I didn't mention above, has lost 2 of 3.

Exactly. It's a soft year at the top. Could certainly still get a 1. However, I think we have used up all of our goodwill. Another couple stinkers and we could drop to a 3 or 4.

 

[MichaelM]

Just a reminder, the 2002 Final Four team lost in Lubbock by 13 to an unranked Texas Tech. And they didn't have a chance to win late in the game at Kansas. And they were never ranked better than #4 until the start of the NCAA tournament.

They didn't lose at Kansas State, Iowa State, or Missouri, but that's only because they played all three in Norman that year. They did lose in Stillwater to #16 OSU.

The Big 12 is tougher than it's ever been. Great teams can and do lose games in the regular season.

 

[skyvue]

Exactly. It's a soft year at the top. Could certainly still get a 1. However, I think we have used up all of our goodwill. Another couple stinkers and we could drop to a 3 or 4.

I'm not sure we're guilty of many stinkers. Again, who has a better record than us? And how bad are our losses? KSU's the worst, but there was an expectation -- on this board and in the national press -- that we would have our hands full in Lubbock. They had just beaten Baylor by 19 points on the road and ISU at home, so how much of a stinker does last night's loss even rank as?

Two very tight losses to KU, one very tight road loss to ISU and a road loss to a surging Tech team that is likely tourney bound (or is thought to be right now) -- none of those are terrible losses. And KSU was mostly because of the double-digit margin.

 

[stormspencer]

We need for teams like Iowa, Maryland, UNC, Virginia, Michigan State and Xavier to continue to slip up and we will definitely stay in the hunt for a #1 seed. The main issue is that our schedule is more than difficult than most, if not all, of the above teams.....thus, we just need to try and maintain pace as best as we can through this slump.

 

[ocugolfsooner]

I'm not sure we're guilty of many stinkers. Again, who has a better record than us? And how bad are our losses? KSU's the worst, but there was an expectation -- on this board and in the national press -- that we would have our hands full in Lubbock. They had just beaten Baylor by 19 points on the road and ISU at home, so how much of a stinker does last night's loss even rank as?

Two very tight losses to KU, one very tight road loss to ISU and a road loss to a surging Tech team that is likely tourney bound (or is thought to be right now) -- none of those are terrible losses. And KSU was mostly because of the double-digit margin.

I don't think any of the losses, examined on their own, are terrible. It's more a cumulative effect of the past 6 games or so where we really have not played well at all. Buddy and cousins pulled us out of the fire at LSU where we really played poorly most of the game, behind whole game to Texas at home and won on last second shot, lost to KSU Tech and Kansas.

Again, not terrible, but not trending in the right direction and could easily slip to a 3 or 4 if we don't show signs of pulling out of this mini-funk.

 

[KBaden145]

I don't think any of the losses, examined on their own, are terrible. It's more a cumulative effect of the past 6 games or so where we really have not played well at all. Buddy and cousins pulled us out of the fire at LSU where we really played poorly most of the game, behind whole game to Texas at home and won on last second shot, lost to KSU Tech and Kansas.



Again, not terrible, but not trending in the right direction and could easily slip to a 3 or 4 if we don't show signs of pulling out of this mini-funk.

Well said.


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[Soonerinkc]

I don't think any of the losses, examined on their own, are terrible. It's more a cumulative effect of the past 6 games or so where we really have not played well at all. Buddy and cousins pulled us out of the fire at LSU where we really played poorly most of the game, behind whole game to Texas at home and won on last second shot, lost to KSU Tech and Kansas.

Again, not terrible, but not trending in the right direction and could easily slip to a 3 or 4 if we don't show signs of pulling out of this mini-funk.

yup...We've hit 40% on 3's just once since the tcu game. The rest were below. That is not a good trend for a team that lives by three.

That's the whole issue between the 2 camps on here....one group says look at what the team has done the last 5 games...not good and it's hard to just turn it around and if they don't not looking good...the other camp says the team was 18-2 or whatever, ranked #1, played great and just a switch away.

Either way, what is happening isn't good.

 

[KBaden145]

I'm not saying either. This team needs to make real adjustments that it is perfectly capable of making. There is no switch to turn on and is not too late to make real change. However it has to happen now.


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[skyvue]

That's a very gentle way of putting what some in the first group have been saying over the past 24 hours. Go back and read the game thread and some of the other threads posted in the first few hours after the game. You are not capturing that very special melange of gloom, doom, panic and vitriol present in those threads.

 

[Soonerinkc]

That's a very gentle way of putting what some in the first group have been saying over the past 24 hours. Go back and read the game thread and some of the other threads posted in the first few hours after the game. You are not capturing that very special melange of gloom, doom, panic and vitriol present in those threads.

lol, well some folks wear their emotions on their sleeves, I am one. I was so frustrated during the game at some of the crap the team was doing, KNOWING how well they can play...looking for some answers.

The team hasn't "looked good" for the last 4 games (5 if you count tcu). I am pretty sure everyone wants the best for OU...people are different by nature.

I'm hoping they can get it going again, yes...I think it will be a tough road..but not ruling it out but odds SEEM against it. 3 ranked teams, 2 on the road..

 

[skyvue]

I was frustrated, too. But I never thought we wouldn't win (clearly I was wrong).

But lashing out at Coach Kruger and some of the players the way some posters did -- it's really indefensible. One would hope that after watching a sport for years, even decades, we'd all gain some perspective, but some never do.

 

[Sooner04]

The team hasn't "looked good" for the last 4 games (5 if you count tcu).

Why would you count a 23-point win?

 

[campbest]

This just in...OU is a better team when they make three pointers at a 50% clip.