Porter on "The Family Business"

[BoulderSooner]

 

[SoonerBounce13]

I don’t know how anyone could listen to that interview and not root for PM

 

[IndySooner]

I don’t know how anyone could listen to that interview and not root for PM

Here's the thing. With both Porter and BV, if we can have one more year of patience, they're the type of coaches that will be here forever because they're great fits in Norman. They are down to earth, great people. I know Porter's wife isn't loving Norman, but she'll settle in. (Carol wasn't a big fan at first, either...)

 

[WichitaSooner]

Here's the thing. With both Porter and BV, if we can have one more year of patience, they're the type of coaches that will be here forever because they're great fits in Norman. They are down to earth, great people. I know Porter's wife isn't loving Norman, but she'll settle in. (Carol wasn't a big fan at first, either...)

Always one more year, right? Just needs four years … no, five, wait, maybe 10, to figure out how to recruit, retain, and win. He has had three years of his own rosters now and has tried multiple methods of roster construction. If he fails again, what possible justification can there be for thinking that an additional year of patience will pay off? As for Brent, of course he will stay around if he isn’t fired. It’s his dream job and no other good program would even consider hiring him as a head coach off three poor seasons.

There are all kinds of great people … should we hire the local pastor to coach the team, results be damned? And unless you know him and Brent personally, how do you really know someone is a great person? Because they are friendly with the media and seem passionate about their job? But even if they are truly good people, that shouldn’t justify keeping someone who isn’t performing, whether it is a college coach or a car mechanic.

 

[Maverick008]

Always one more year, right? Just needs four years … no, five, wait, maybe 10, to figure out how to recruit, retain, and win. He has had three years of his own rosters now and has tried multiple methods of roster construction. If he fails again, what possible justification can there be for thinking that an additional year of patience will pay off? As for Brent, of course he will stay around if he isn’t fired. It’s his dream job and no other good program would even consider hiring him as a head coach off three poor seasons.

There are all kinds of great people … should we hire the local pastor to coach the team, results be damned? And unless you know him and Brent personally, how do you really know someone is a great person? Because they are friendly with the media and seem passionate about their job? But even if they are truly good people, that shouldn’t justify keeping someone who isn’t performing, whether it is a college coach or a car mechanic.

IF Porter succeeds (makes the NCAA tourney, NOT just the play in game), would that suffice though? For whatever reason, Schedule strength, play style, coaching style, how he combs his hair, you've made it clear you don't like the guy. If they finish 20-12 (or better), make it as a 9 or 10 seed would you call that progress and welcome the guy back or would it be another off season of complaining about the culture wall? Recruiting looks to be solid this year but next year is going to be another team of "newcomers" for the most part based on this roster so that part isn't going to change at least next season. What can they do THIS season to have you excited to see him back next year?

 

[IndySooner]

Always one more year, right? Just needs four years … no, five, wait, maybe 10, to figure out how to recruit, retain, and win. He has had three years of his own rosters now and has tried multiple methods of roster construction. If he fails again, what possible justification can there be for thinking that an additional year of patience will pay off? As for Brent, of course he will stay around if he isn’t fired. It’s his dream job and no other good program would even consider hiring him as a head coach off three poor seasons.

There are all kinds of great people … should we hire the local pastor to coach the team, results be damned? And unless you know him and Brent personally, how do you really know someone is a great person? Because they are friendly with the media and seem passionate about their job? But even if they are truly good people, that shouldn’t justify keeping someone who isn’t performing, whether it is a college coach or a car mechanic.

Well, I don't know Porter personally, but I do know people who know him personally. I know people who have hung out with him at the local bar scene around Loyola. I know people who played with him at Creighton. And I know someone who knew him through A&M. Everyone associated says the same things.

I also know a couple of people closely tied to the program who say he's had his hands tied behind his back from a recruiting and NIL perspective and that IF he's given the right tools, he's going to be great.

So...

(Took you off ignore since I figured you were replying to me. Have a feeling that was a mistake.)

 

[WichitaSooner]

IF Porter succeeds (makes the NCAA tourney, NOT just the play in game), would that suffice though? For whatever reason, Schedule strength, play style, coaching style, how he combs his hair, you've made it clear you don't like the guy. If they finish 20-12 (or better), make it as a 9 or 10 seed would you call that progress and welcome the guy back or would it be another off season of complaining about the culture wall? Recruiting looks to be solid this year but next year is going to be another team of "newcomers" for the most part based on this roster so that part isn't going to change at least next season. What can they do THIS season to have you excited to see him back next year?

They have to make the ncaa tournament. Period. If they don’t, he shouldn’t be back. No excuses or grace because role players were injured, or the committee allegedly screwed us, or recruiting looks good, or NIL, lack of fan support, bad arena, etc. Four consecutive years of missing the tourney at a school that made it as consistently as all but a few blue bloods is unacceptable. We have heard about his allegedly great recruiting for two years now, and almost all of those guys are no longer part of the program.

If they eek into the tourney, I wouldn’t personally be excited about having him back, but I’d acknowledge that he has earned another year.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Always one more year, right? Just needs four years … no, five, wait, maybe 10, to figure out how to recruit, retain, and win. He has had three years of his own rosters now and has tried multiple methods of roster construction. If he fails again, what possible justification can there be for thinking that an additional year of patience will pay off? As for Brent, of course he will stay around if he isn’t fired. It’s his dream job and no other good program would even consider hiring him as a head coach off three poor seasons.

There are all kinds of great people … should we hire the local pastor to coach the team, results be damned? And unless you know him and Brent personally, how do you really know someone is a great person? Because they are friendly with the media and seem passionate about their job? But even if they are truly good people, that shouldn’t justify keeping someone who isn’t performing, whether it is a college coach or a car mechanic.

give.it.a.rest

Meanwhile, your beloved Tang is ranked 20 spots lower than OU.
It works both ways...some coaches take awhile to gain traction. Some get instant results and then can't sustain it

 

[WichitaSooner]

Well, I don't know Porter personally, but I do know people who know him personally. I know people who have hung out with him at the local bar scene around Loyola. I know people who played with him at Creighton. And I know someone who knew him through A&M. Everyone associated says the same things.

I also know a couple of people closely tied to the program who say he's had his hands tied behind his back from a recruiting and NIL perspective and that IF he's given the right tools, he's going to be great.

So...

(Took you off ignore since I figured you were replying to me. Have a feeling that was a mistake.)

So you don’t know him. But again, I will concede for the sake of argument that he is the greatest human ever. That’s wonderful, but doesn’t justify continued employment without better job performance.

As for the NIL crap, it’s THE excuse for every coach who isn’t winning. Hell, we now are hearing it for Brent. We are an all-time top 5 football program. There are a lot of coaches winning a lot more than we are under Brent who would undoubtedly love to have the resources he has. And even if it’s true that Porter doesn’t have what he wants, he either needs to find a way to win despite that, or get someone else who will be able to get more for less.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

how he combs his hair

you might be onto something here...

 

[Boom Soon]

Coaching is wild. I guess it’s just the nature of the beast. No other industry could someone fail their job goals for three years and people would be making the “Well he/she is a nice person so let’s give them more time.”

Two things can be true at once. Moser is a phenomenal human being, and he’s not good enough to coach at OU.

 

[Maverick008]

They have to make the ncaa tournament. Period. If they don’t, he shouldn’t be back. No excuses or grace because role players were injured, or the committee allegedly screwed us, or recruiting looks good, or NIL, lack of fan support, bad arena, etc. Four consecutive years of missing the tourney at a school that made it as consistently as all but a few blue bloods is unacceptable. We have heard about his allegedly great recruiting for two years now, and almost all of those guys are no longer part of the program.

If they eek into the tourney, I wouldn’t personally be excited about having him back, but I’d acknowledge that he has earned another year.

Agreed. Barring the team suddenly can't play another game for undisclosed reasons, I agree they have to make the tournament or he's out. I don't get the "I wouldn't personally be excited" part if he seems to be having the team headed in the right direction? If they pulled an "NC State" last year and made a deep run, would that change the excitement level? I just get the feeling that no matter what he does, you'd feel happier if he didn't return next season regardless of the outcome of this season.

 

[IndySooner]

So you don’t know him. But again, I will concede for the sake of argument that he is the greatest human ever. That’s wonderful, but doesn’t justify continued employment without better job performance.

As for the NIL crap, it’s THE excuse for every coach who isn’t winning. Hell, we now are hearing it for Brent. We are an all-time top 5 football program. There are a lot of coaches winning a lot more than we are under Brent who would undoubtedly love to have the resources he has. And even if it’s true that Porter doesn’t have what he wants, he either needs to find a way to win despite that, or get someone else who will be able to get more for less.

Maybe it's just me, but if some of my best friends know him, I trust them. And if some of my best friends are deeply tied into the program, NIL and challenges associated, I trust them.

One of my best friends has a D1 prospect as a son. At this point, he'd send him to Houston over OU. And I would have never thought that a few years ago. And it has NOTHING to do with Porter Moser and EVERYTHING to do with the commitment - or lack thereof - to the program at OU.

 

[WichitaSooner]

Agreed. Barring the team suddenly can't play another game for undisclosed reasons, I agree they have to make the tournament or he's out. I don't get the "I wouldn't personally be excited" part if he seems to be having the team headed in the right direction? If they pulled an "NC State" last year and made a deep run, would that change the excitement level? I just get the feeling that no matter what he does, you'd feel happier if he didn't return next season regardless of the outcome of this season.

Absolutely I’d be excited if we made a deep run, especially if it followed a good regular season. But if we barely get in and get bounced in round one, or even worse, the first four, my feeling would be that a single appearance without any wins to show for it in four years would not be enough to feel excited that he is ever going to get us to the next level, or even back to the level we were at before he was hired. He has set a low bar his first three years, so if he just barely clears it in year four, I would be ok with keeping him one more year but I wouldn’t be confident things are truly on the right track.

 

[WichitaSooner]

Maybe it's just me, but if some of my best friends know him, I trust them. And if some of my best friends are deeply tied into the program, NIL and challenges associated, I trust them.

One of my best friends has a D1 prospect as a son. At this point, he'd send him to Houston over OU. And I would have never thought that a few years ago. And it has NOTHING to do with Porter Moser and EVERYTHING to do with the commitment - or lack thereof - to the program at OU.

I’d guess it also has something to do with who is running the program at Houston and the chance to play for one of the greatest coaches in the sport.

 

[MJSooner]

Absolutely I’d be excited if we made a deep run, especially if it followed a good regular season. But if we barely get in and get bounced in round one, or even worse, the first four, my feeling would be that a single appearance without any wins to show for it in four years would not be enough to feel excited that he is ever going to get us to the next level, or even back to the level we were at before he was hired. He has set a low bar his first three years, so if he just barely clears it in year four, I would be ok with keeping him one more year but I wouldn’t be confident things are truly on the right track.

I’d guess it also has something to do with who is running the program at Houston and the chance to play for one of the greatest coaches in the sport.

And that coach, who is one of the greatest coaches in the sport, got bounced in round one in his four years here and five of his first seven years. Outside the underdog run in 1999, his first seven years in the tournament were abysmal, with double-digit losses in the season loss column in four of his first five years. Many people were unhappy with his style, his personality, lack of success in the NCAA tourney, and questioned if he was the right coach during that time.

Not in any way comparing Kelvin Sampson's abilities to coach to Porter Moser, especially now. And he did at least get us into the tournament, which is more the PM can say. But at the time, there were voices against Kelvin just like now. But, Steve Owens and Joe C believed he was the right fit for the program and that he would eventually succeed at greater levels. History shows they were correct and the voices of frustration from the fanbase changed after 2001.

Am I predicting the same for PM? Not necessarily, as I agree that he needs to make the tourney this year. I'm just saying success isn't always linear. Sometimes, it's like a hockey stick that can take off fast after looking like things are going nowhere. Is he the guy for the long-term? IDK yet, this year will say a lot. But I'm hoping big-time he is.

Our program is in better shape today than it was in May of 2021 or even May of 2022. Sometimes patience pays off. Hopefully, we will be able to see this come March.

 

[WichitaSooner]

And that coach, who is one of the greatest coaches in the sport, got bounced in round one in his four years here and five of his first seven years. Outside the underdog run in 1999, his first seven years in the tournament were abysmal, with double-digit losses in the season loss column in four of his first five years. Many people were unhappy with his style, his personality, lack of success in the NCAA tourney, and questioned if he was the right coach during that time.

Not in any way comparing Kelvin Sampson's abilities to coach to Porter Moser, especially now. And he did at least get us into the tournament, which is more the PM can say. But at the time, there were voices against Kelvin just like now. But, Steve Owens and Joe C believed he was the right fit for the program and that he would eventually succeed at greater levels. History shows they were correct and the voices of frustration from the fanbase changed after 2001.

Am I predicting the same for PM? Not necessarily, as I agree that he needs to make the tourney this year. I'm just saying success isn't always linear. Sometimes, it's like a hockey stick that can take off fast after looking like things are going nowhere. Is he the guy for the long-term? IDK yet, this year will say a lot. But I'm hoping big-time he is.

Our program is in better shape today than it was in May of 2021 or even May of 2022. Sometimes patience pays off. Hopefully, we will be able to see this come March.

There is no tangible way in which our program is in better shape today than it was when Lon retired. Anyone who claims otherwise is probably also going to claim our football program is better off than it was in November 2021, despite far worse results, far less talent, and far fewer future pros on the roster.

As far as the Kelvin comparison, he took over a program that had missed three of the previous four tourneys and made it the first nine years in Norman. If Moser had made the tournament the past three years, including as a relatively high seed on at least one occasion, this would be an entirely different conversation. I can’t speak for the people who complained about Kelvin, because from his first season, it was so clear to me that he was a great coach and a winner. He also established an immediate identity for the program. Moser has established a culture wall, but no actual culture or identity.

 

[IndySooner]

I’d guess it also has something to do with who is running the program at Houston and the chance to play for one of the greatest coaches in the sport.

That coach will likely not be there by the time his son is playing. It will be that coach's son.

 

[MJSooner]

There is no tangible way in which our program is in better shape today than it was when Lon retired. Anyone who claims otherwise is probably also going to claim our football program is better off than it was in November 2021, despite far worse results, far less talent, and far fewer future pros on the roster.

As far as the Kelvin comparison, he took over a program that had missed three of the previous four tourneys and made it the first nine years in Norman. If Moser had made the tournament the past three years, including as a relatively high seed on at least one occasion, this would be an entirely different conversation. I can’t speak for the people who complained about Kelvin, because from his first season, it was so clear to me that he was a great coach and a winner. He also established an immediate identity for the program. Moser has established a culture wall, but no actual culture or identity.

We had 3 players in May of 2021. No committed assistants. Lack of NIL support. No plans for improved facilities. Most logical people say we are in better shape now and are more talented than Harkless, Hill, and Gibson.

And you knew Kelvin was a great coach after choking to manhattan as a #4 seed the first year, then going one and done the first four years?

Again I stated I wasn’t comparing Porter Moser’s record to Kelvin Sampson’s, nor comparing their abilities as a coach. It’s hard to compare or conflate any program in any sport to success prior to NIL and free transfers. College sports are completely different. Ask Jay Wright, Tony Bennett, and Nick Saban.

My comparison was to simply point out that there was a large number of fans and supporters than had grown tired of Kelvin. But the admin was patient as they knew they had the guy they wanted to lead the program, despite the noise. It worked out and then some.

Maybe the same is happening now.

 

[WichitaSooner]

We had 3 players in May of 2021. No committed assistants. Lack of NIL support. No plans for improved facilities. Most logical people say we are in better shape now and are more talented than Harkless, Hill, and Gibson.

And you knew Kelvin was a great coach after choking to manhattan as a #4 seed the first year, then going one and done the first four years?

Again I stated I wasn’t comparing Porter Moser’s record to Kelvin Sampson’s, nor comparing their abilities as a coach. It’s hard to compare or conflate any program in any sport to success prior to NIL and free transfers. College sports are completely different. Ask Jay Wright, Tony Bennett, and Nick Saban.

My comparison was to simply point out that there was a large number of fans and supporters than had grown tired of Kelvin. But the admin was patient as they knew they had the guy they wanted to lead the program, despite the noise. It worked out and then some.

Maybe the same is happening now.

Why are you randomly selecting May 2021? Moser became the coach a month earlier and had an opportunity to keep the guys who left. And having three returning starters is a hell of a lot better situation than a lot of coaches find themselves in, even when there hasn’t been a coaching change. Check out Drake, Memphis, Arkansas, Kentucky, ISU, KSU and others over the recent past.

As for Kelvin, yes, it was very clear how good a coach he was. Took a team that has been pretty bad for three or four years and immediately turned them into a top 25 team that was damn near impossible to beat at home, played harder than basically every team in the country, and overachieved their talent level every year. The only reason they were in position to choke in the tourney is because they always got every ounce out of the regular season. Look at the rosters of some of those teams he took to the tourney.