POY in Big 12

[SoonerNorm]

Right now I would say it is down to Nina Davis and Gioya. Still lots of basketball to be played but, as of today, Gioya is definitely in the conversation.

 

[sybarite]

It will probably go to the conference champion.

I think Nina will be the Baylor nominee.

Right now, it's Gioya. I could see it being Gabbi by the end of the year.

 

[SoonerNorm]

http://newsok.com/bedlam-womens-basketball-gioya-carter-leads-sooners-to-bedlam-rout/article/5386068

 

[j2d2]

Wouldnt it be a kick if Maddie won it?

 

[Mac]

Wouldnt it be a kick if Maddie won it?

she would have to start

 

[YCN]

I just can't see it being Maddie. I loved what I saw from her yesterday, but how does she start ahead of Peyton unless it's a formidably tall team? Peyton really has impressed me with her all-court game. Gal's a playa.

Gioya has a shot if she continues to be all-world, but Davis is the definite front-runner.

 

[Sweetest OU Girl]

Right now I would say it is down to Nina Davis and Gioya. Still lots of basketball to be played but, as of today, Gioya is definitely in the conversation.

Norm,

I think you could make the argument in favor of both girls at this point. However, the season is far from over and lots will happen over the next few weeks to impact that.

But I can say this with confidence:

1. If it is chosen by the coaches, someone other than Davis could be given serious consideration.

2. If it is chosen by Wendell Barnhouse and his friends, it will be almost impossible for anyone not on a Texas based team to even be considered.

All you need to look at is the Big-12 website to know that. Even today, the website that is supposed to represent all 10 schools does not. Whether you look on the main page or the Women's basketball page, the Baylor win is given major representation - but OU's win and 6 -0 record is NOT EVEN MENTIONED. There are main stories on the OU men losing, but again not a word about the women winning. Please note that the Kansas win was (unfortunately) over a lower echelon team just as our win over OSU was - at least at this point in the season.

Or look at the "player of the week" awards in women's basketball. A total of 22 individuals have been honored. 14 - I repeat 14 out of 22 (64%) - are from Texas based schools (which only account for 40% of the teams in the conference). And that is even considering that 2 of the 8 non-state of Texas winners were handed out in a week when NOT A SINGLE Texas based school played. They HAD to select 2 from "out of their state". And in case you want to argue that is because the Texas based schools play better than the "out of state" teams, I probably don't need to remind all of us that OU is 6 and 0 in conference play - better than all other teams in the conference except Baylor (just tied with us - LOL). For heavens sake, Texas Tech has as many winners as OU. Take a look at the conference records of the two teams and ask yourself if that really makes sense. This is not a new occurrence - it has been happening for several years.

These kinds of imbalances caused the split in the conference and the loss of Nebraska, Missouri, Colorado, and even TAMU who was often treated as a little brother by the other schools in Texas (and their voices/fans in the conference office). The lack of recognition by the conference is one of the reason's it has been hard for OU to get votes in the polls. National folks who vote look mainly at the Big-12 website to see what the conference thinks about worthwhile performance. When a team is not even mentioned, they are easy to overlook.

The impact is that even the winners Wendell selects end up receiving less honor than they deserve since the "playing field" is uneven.

I keep hoping there will be enough complaint about this that they will be forced to bring a reasonable level of balance to the things they do.

 

[sybarite]

Norm,

I think you could make the argument in favor of both girls at this point. However, the season is far from over and lots will happen over the next few weeks to impact that.

But I can say this with confidence:

1. If it is chosen by the coaches, someone other than Davis could be given serious consideration.

2. If it is chosen by Wendell Barnhouse and his friends, it will be almost impossible for anyone not on a Texas based team to even be considered.

All you need to look at is the Big-12 website to know that. Even today, the website that is supposed to represent all 10 schools does not. Whether you look on the main page or the Women's basketball page, the Baylor win is given major representation - but OU's win and 6 -0 record is NOT EVEN MENTIONED. There are main stories on the OU men losing, but again not a word about the women winning. Please note that the Kansas win was (unfortunately) over a lower echelon team just as our win over OSU was - at least at this point in the season.

Or look at the "player of the week" awards in women's basketball. A total of 22 individuals have been honored. 14 - I repeat 14 out of 22 (64%) - are from Texas based schools (which only account for 40% of the teams in the conference). And that is even considering that 2 of the 8 non-state of Texas winners were handed out in a week when NOT A SINGLE Texas based school played. They HAD to select 2 from "out of their state". And in case you want to argue that is because the Texas based schools play better than the "out of state" teams, I probably don't need to remind all of us that OU is 6 and 0 in conference play - better than all other teams in the conference except Baylor (just tied with us - LOL). For heavens sake, Texas Tech has as many winners as OU. Take a look at the conference records of the two teams and ask yourself if that really makes sense. This is not a new occurrence - it has been happening for several years.

These kinds of imbalances caused the split in the conference and the loss of Nebraska, Missouri, Colorado, and even TAMU who was often treated as a little brother by the other schools in Texas (and their voices/fans in the conference office). The lack of recognition by the conference is one of the reason's it has been hard for OU to get votes in the polls. National folks who vote look mainly at the Big-12 website to see what the conference thinks about worthwhile performance. When a team is not even mentioned, they are easy to overlook.

The impact is that even the winners Wendell selects end up receiving less honor than they deserve since the "playing field" is uneven.

I keep hoping there will be enough complaint about this that they will be forced to bring a reasonable level of balance to the things they do.

I agree.

 

[SoonerNorm]

Norm,

I think you could make the argument in favor of both girls at this point. However, the season is far from over and lots will happen over the next few weeks to impact that.

But I can say this with confidence:

1. If it is chosen by the coaches, someone other than Davis could be given serious consideration.

2. If it is chosen by Wendell Barnhouse and his friends, it will be almost impossible for anyone not on a Texas based team to even be considered.

All you need to look at is the Big-12 website to know that. Even today, the website that is supposed to represent all 10 schools does not. Whether you look on the main page or the Women's basketball page, the Baylor win is given major representation - but OU's win and 6 -0 record is NOT EVEN MENTIONED. There are main stories on the OU men losing, but again not a word about the women winning. Please note that the Kansas win was (unfortunately) over a lower echelon team just as our win over OSU was - at least at this point in the season.

Or look at the "player of the week" awards in women's basketball. A total of 22 individuals have been honored. 14 - I repeat 14 out of 22 (64%) - are from Texas based schools (which only account for 40% of the teams in the conference). And that is even considering that 2 of the 8 non-state of Texas winners were handed out in a week when NOT A SINGLE Texas based school played. They HAD to select 2 from "out of their state". And in case you want to argue that is because the Texas based schools play better than the "out of state" teams, I probably don't need to remind all of us that OU is 6 and 0 in conference play - better than all other teams in the conference except Baylor (just tied with us - LOL). For heavens sake, Texas Tech has as many winners as OU. Take a look at the conference records of the two teams and ask yourself if that really makes sense. This is not a new occurrence - it has been happening for several years.

These kinds of imbalances caused the split in the conference and the loss of Nebraska, Missouri, Colorado, and even TAMU who was often treated as a little brother by the other schools in Texas (and their voices/fans in the conference office). The lack of recognition by the conference is one of the reason's it has been hard for OU to get votes in the polls. National folks who vote look mainly at the Big-12 website to see what the conference thinks about worthwhile performance. When a team is not even mentioned, they are easy to overlook.

The impact is that even the winners Wendell selects end up receiving less honor than they deserve since the "playing field" is uneven.

I keep hoping there will be enough complaint about this that they will be forced to bring a reasonable level of balance to the things they do.

It is hard to make a general statement that the league is biased in favor of Texas schools unless you first make a week to week comparison. If you go back to the first week and show who received honors, including their stats, then show players more deserving as well as their stats, go to each subsequent week and do the same thing, then your argument would have meaning and most might agree with you.

 

[soonerstar]

Norm, you are correct. You would have to go back to each week and see who was most deserving. I would imagine Griner and Sims account for a lot of the POW awards when they were at Baylor. I do wish the conference office was in OKC, instead of a Texas city, however.