Rebounding

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Courtney was a great rebounder before she arrived in Norman. If you look at other power forwards and centers before or after Courtney, I think you will find that those who were good rebounders were good before they arrived. Some players just have what it takes to be great rebounders. Positioning, be able to predict where the ball is coming off the rim, and, most importantly, want to. I will add one more, jumping ability. Yes, I know Courtney did not jump but, she is the exception as she didn't have to. The vast majority of other players have to jump today. Standing flat-footed is a huge mistake many players make. Look at the girl from South Florida. She had a double double against us because she was athletic and she refused to allow our players to come away with rebounds by standing flat-footed. Fast forward to the Duke game. They had a girl, Williams, who wore us out jumping for rebounds. She ended up with 20 rebounds, 9 of which were offensive boards. The days of flat-footed rebounders is over (I might make an exception for a 6'9" Nancy Mulkey). There are too many girls that will clean your clock if you stand still hoping the ball will fall into your hands. We have one girl who has want to and can jump in Sharane. Her problem is, she is 5'10" instead of 6'4".

Another mistake we make is standing still or taking off for the other end of the court as soon as the ball goes in the air, particularly when we are on offense. We need at least 3 players headed for the rim as soon as the ball goes in the air. This can be corrected by the coaches. I was never a fan of Dennis Rodman but I certainly admired his rebounding ability even against taller players. I never remember seeing him head for the opposite end of the court when the ball went in the air. He thought one thing, that ball is mine. His 'want to' was extra-ordinary.

Do I think you can take a poor rebounder in high school and turn her into a great rebounder in college? No. I think someone like Geno will improve her rebounding stats somewhat but she is not likely to ever be a great rebounder.

Let's talk about blocking out. Yes, I know some coaches stress blocking out and I'm sure our coaches talk about it too; although, we are not good at doing it. But, I much prefer the John Wooden and Bill Bradley theory, which is, players should worry much more about going after the ball than blocking out. If you watched Courtney and Dennis Rodman, they went after the ball and I don't recall seeing either one spending much effort to block anyone out.

The answer is, recruit great rebounders who have the entire package. Height is certainly an advantage. Positioning is extremely important. Want to is critical. Jumping ability is mandatory. If a player possesses all of those tangible assets, you have a potentially great rebounder.

Some people get excited over girls who can block shots. That really doesn't excite me nearly as much as strong rebounders do. Most of the time blocked shots are knocked out of bounds or go back into the hands of an offensive player. Either way the offense retains possession which may ultimately give them a chance for an easier basket. But, a rebound changes possession, stops the offense from scoring, and gives the rebounding team a scoring opportunity.

No one took rebounding more serious than Kelvin. He had his teams work hard on rebounding because he knew the impact it would have on the outcome of close games.

I would like to see the coaches take rebounding more serious, correct what they can, and recruit great rebounders out of high school.
 
Norm, that is a very insightful and well thought out post. I think rebounding will be one of our weak points this year. Cowboysooner on another thread suggested starting Treece and KK at the 4 and 5 spots. I think that would help a lot. I think Kornet is our best rebounder outside of these 2 and possibly Campbell.
 
Kelvin tended to recruit the blue collar player who worked at everything.

It is interesting that our leading rebounder often tends to be a guard. We've seen Gabbi grab a lot of rebounds, at times LaNesia. Vegas had those games. Quite often, the ball hits the floor because nobody moved for it. In the first game or two this year, we seemed to have learned to go after the ball. That seems to have subsided.

I can remember a presentation by Bill Russell in which he demonstrated blocking out and made the statement that he got his rebounds by position, which he demonstrated by extending his elbows out from his shoulders as he grabbed for a ball at eye level. He said that you should always be able to get the ball right in front of your face if you have done your job. Then, I have heard that he also credited his success to jumping. So, take your pick.

I don't know that people who didn't rebound in highschool will improve. I haven't seen a lot who have. I have seen kids like Jo who weren't rebouders early in their careers who became better. I thought it was more a matter of maturity and confidence. The ability had always been there. It is probably true that the typical player doesn't get that much better in rebounding.

Blocked shots? I think that a shot blocker is more effective as someone who alters shots than actually blocks shots. Long arms can sometimes generate bad shots. A few blocked shots early in a game can change where a team is shooting. You can become afraid to go inside. Not everyone has the mindset to go straight at a shot blocker. I think that Griffin was underrated as a defender because she altered shots. Kay Kay has to learn to alter instead of block shots. Alterations generally don't draw fouls.
 
Courtney was a great rebounder before she arrived in Norman. If you look at other power forwards and centers before or after Courtney, I think you will find that those who were good rebounders were good before they arrived. Some players just have what it takes to be great rebounders. Positioning, be able to predict where the ball is coming off the rim, and, most importantly, want to. I will add one more, jumping ability. Yes, I know Courtney did not jump but, she is the exception as she didn't have to. The vast majority of other players have to jump today. Standing flat-footed is a huge mistake many players make. Look at the girl from South Florida. She had a double double against us because she was athletic and she refused to allow our players to come away with rebounds by standing flat-footed. Fast forward to the Duke game. They had a girl, Williams, who wore us out jumping for rebounds. She ended up with 20 rebounds, 9 of which were offensive boards. The days of flat-footed rebounders is over (I might make an exception for a 6'9" Nancy Mulkey). There are too many girls that will clean your clock if you stand still hoping the ball will fall into your hands. We have one girl who has want to and can jump in Sharane. Her problem is, she is 5'10" instead of 6'4".

Another mistake we make is standing still or taking off for the other end of the court as soon as the ball goes in the air, particularly when we are on offense. We need at least 3 players headed for the rim as soon as the ball goes in the air. This can be corrected by the coaches. I was never a fan of Dennis Rodman but I certainly admired his rebounding ability even against taller players. I never remember seeing him head for the opposite end of the court when the ball went in the air. He thought one thing, that ball is mine. His 'want to' was extra-ordinary.

Do I think you can take a poor rebounder in high school and turn her into a great rebounder in college? No. I think someone like Geno will improve her rebounding stats somewhat but she is not likely to ever be a great rebounder.

Let's talk about blocking out. Yes, I know some coaches stress blocking out and I'm sure our coaches talk about it too; although, we are not good at doing it. But, I much prefer the John Wooden and Bill Bradley theory, which is, players should worry much more about going after the ball than blocking out. If you watched Courtney and Dennis Rodman, they went after the ball and I don't recall seeing either one spending much effort to block anyone out.

The answer is, recruit great rebounders who have the entire package. Height is certainly an advantage. Positioning is extremely important. Want to is critical. Jumping ability is mandatory. If a player possesses all of those tangible assets, you have a potentially great rebounder.

Some people get excited over girls who can block shots. That really doesn't excite me nearly as much as strong rebounders do. Most of the time blocked shots are knocked out of bounds or go back into the hands of an offensive player. Either way the offense retains possession which may ultimately give them a chance for an easier basket. But, a rebound changes possession, stops the offense from scoring, and gives the rebounding team a scoring opportunity.

No one took rebounding more serious than Kelvin. He had his teams work hard on rebounding because he knew the impact it would have on the outcome of close games.

I would like to see the coaches take rebounding more serious, correct what they can, and recruit great rebounders out of high school.

Norm...great topic. I believe rebounding skills can be taught and continually worked on to improve rebounding. BUT the thing...the "IT"...possessed by rebounders like CParis and DRodman is heart/desire/passion. It cannot be taught. Either they have "IT" or they don't.
 
Cant teach "heart" but you can teach determination. The guys have played enough basketball to be aboe to guess more or less where the ball is going to bounce. If they understood they will sit unless they GO GET IT they wont stand around like they do.
 
The more you rebound, the better you can get, as you learn angles and timing.
I still think the best rebounders BLOCK OUT first, and read the ball as it is shot, then release and GO AFTER the ball. And you only block out on defense. If you watch good rebounders, including Rodman and Courtney, on defense they will block out at least some, and then go after the ball. When we (OU) have guards rebound so well, it is often the result of our bigs blocking out their bigs, and creating lanes to the ball for good rebounding guards.
But the best way to learn to rebound, is to want to get the rebound whether from inner desire, or coaches teaching that passion. (ie sit or go get the rebounds)
 
Courtney was a great rebounder because of the space she took up and she had great hands. Seemed like they were like a vacuum that sucked up everything that came near her.

Jo became a great rebounder because she was relelntless in pursuit of the ball. She never seemed to give up on a ball.

It does appear that we leave rebounding positions to head to the other end of the court too early. We always seem to have opponents geting to the ball unblocked.

Many of the great rebounders not only block out but do a great job of going for the ball out of their position. Gabby does that pretty well.
 
Courtney was a great rebounder before she went to college because she was much taller than most high school centers or forwards - and she didn't need to jump. Good college teams attract tall post players and Courtney, especially her last 2 years, really needed to jump - on occasion - but didn't. Many times a shorter player would jump and get the rebound. In retrospect I am glad CP# didn't jump because she might have rolled an ankle.
 
Courtney was a great rebounder before she went to college because she was much taller than most high school centers or forwards - and she didn't need to jump. Good college teams attract tall post players and Courtney, especially her last 2 years, really needed to jump - on occasion - but didn't. Many times a shorter player would jump and get the rebound. In retrospect I am glad CP# didn't jump because she might have rolled an ankle.

I don’t recall CParis having an injury in high school or college, although it was rumored that she had played with a broke nose while at OU, but I don’t recall seeing her play in any protective face gear. A “rolled ankle” could happen in many instances other than jumping, but it appears she has avoided it and other injuries. There is not anyone that can stand flat foot ONLY and rebound successfully and consistently. There has to be a combination of factors for great rebounding (i.e. great hands, timing, blocking out, use of body, strength, reach, etc), with the most important…desire, determination, heart, passion. It begins with an attitude. And that’s whether you’re jumping or not. There have been many who’ve jumped higher that have not done jack squat.

Flat foot or jumping…I think CParis has proved she clearly is the best ever rebounder in NCAA history…2034 career rebounds. And when given the opportunity to play in the WNBA she’s pretty good as well…she is the WNBA Peak Award winner for rebounds for the 2014 season.

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/w_basketball_RB/2015/DIWBB.pdf

http://www.wnba.com/news/peak_perfomers_081914.html
 
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