Sooner Caravan in Dallas

[WichitaSooner]

Atleast now it is all in the open. We probably aren't further behind what the top teams were paying now than we were then. The blue bloods and top teams were paying people well before NIL. If anything that means we should expect better performance since we are playing the same game now

I’ve made this argument, too. And I think it’s valid. The way I think about it: Lon was squeaky clean. I remember him being asked in an interview after he retired if players or parents or handlers ever asked for any payments or improper benefits, and he said maybe once or twice but it really wasn’t an issue since everyone knew there was no way he would play that game. Meanwhile, plenty of programs were bending the rules, and others were flat out cheating.

So while Porter is at a disadvantage compared to some programs, at least he isn’t in a situation where he has literally nothing to offer while others are pretty much doing whatever they want under the table.

 

[BoulderSooner]

Outside of Kentucky, until recently, the SEC was never a basketball powerhouse. The Big 8 or 12 was usually as deep or better than the SEC.
The ACC was heads and shoulders above the SEC.

florida says hello

 

[sanguinetti]

florida says hello

Strollin' Nolan and the Hogs won it all in 94 and lost in the title game in 95, fwiw.

 

[sanguinetti]

Id say the SEC from top to bottom is better than the avg Big 12 over the last 25 years, but not by much. Not enough to go 7-11 every year.

I would say maybe 15 years though you'd have to reckon with KU and Baylor Nattys.

and 61 makes this point too.......I wouldn't sleep on the Big 12 in the 00's.

tough conference with Kelvin, Eddie Sutton, Knight, Roy/Self, Rick Barnes. Possibly 6 HOF coaches, half the league. OU, OSU, KU, and Texas were Final Four teams

second tier: Mike Anderson and Quin Snyder both had Elite 8 Mizzou teams, Billy Gillespie inherited Melvin Watkins winless ATM in conference team and ended up with a sweet 16 ATM team and the UK job. after Eustachy self destructed or Tim Floyd ISU went in a funk and KSU too. Colorado was kinda Colorado. Nebraska was kinda Nebraska.

and I wouldn't sleep on the Big 8 either (after the Billy, Norm, Johnny Orr revolution). End of it's days, on the field competitiveness was not the Big 8 problem. Sent 5/8 teams to the NCAA in hoops and in it's last decade won 3 football NC's. OU, CU, NU.

Problem was population density and selling fannies in front of those new flat screens to advertisers.

edit: as far John Blake, my memory is he got N. Carolina and major investigation for his recruiting, relationship with agents. Something.

 

[OULad]

I would say maybe 15 years though you'd have to reckon with KU and Baylor Nattys.

and 61 makes this point too.......I wouldn't sleep on the Big 12 in the 00's.

tough conference with Kelvin, Eddie Sutton, Knight, Roy/Self, Rick Barnes. Possibly 6 HOF coaches, half the league. OU, OSU, KU, and Texas were Final Four teams

second tier: Mike Anderson and Quin Snyder both had Elite 8 Mizzou teams, Billy Gillespie inherited Melvin Watkins winless ATM in conference team and ended up with a sweet 16 ATM team and the UK job. after Eustachy self destructed or Tim Floyd ISU went in a funk and KSU too. Colorado was kinda Colorado. Nebraska was kinda Nebraska.

and I wouldn't sleep on the Big 8 either (after the Billy, Norm, Johnny Orr revolution). End of it's days, on the field competitiveness was not the Big 8 problem. Sent 5/8 teams to the NCAA in hoops and in it's last decade won 3 football NC's. OU, CU, NU.

Problem was population density and selling fannies in front of those new flat screens to advertisers.

edit: as far John Blake, my memory is he got N. Carolina and major investigation for his recruiting, relationship with agents. Something.

The Big 12 was a tough conference. But there were games I could count on us winning. Colorado and Nebraska were pretty much always bad. A&M was pretty mediocre most years. TCU generally wasnt very good.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

The Big 12 was a tough conference. But there were games I could count on us winning. Colorado and Nebraska were pretty much always bad. A&M was pretty mediocre most years. TCU generally wasnt very good.

I think you would still feel that way in the SEC if we had kelvin (or another competent coach)