Tamir Rice

[DenverSooner]

http://news.yahoo.com/us-boy-shot-police-yet-buried-investigation-drags-194749985.html

Why doesn't this case make more news. I see zero justification for what happened. I think the police would not have shot a 12 year old white boy playing with a gun. To me this is the most outrageous case in the last few years. It is far worse than Freddie Gray, Michael Brown or Trayvon Martin but it seems to get virtually no media attention.

I suspect every male that participates played with two guns outside of their house growing up.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

http://news.yahoo.com/us-boy-shot-police-yet-buried-investigation-drags-194749985.html

Why doesn't this case make more news. I see zero justification for what happened. I think the police would not have shot a 12 year old white boy playing with a gun. To me this is the most outrageous case in the last few years. It is far worse than Freddie Gray, Michael Brown or Trayvon Martin but it seems to get virtually no media attention.

I suspect every male that participates played with two guns outside of their house growing up.

it's been awhile since i read this. But wasn't there reports that there was a kid waving a gun around? And dispatch was told something but it wasn't relayed to the responding officer?

 

[WTSooner]

http://news.yahoo.com/us-boy-shot-police-yet-buried-investigation-drags-194749985.html

Why doesn't this case make more news. I see zero justification for what happened. I think the police would not have shot a 12 year old white boy playing with a gun. To me this is the most outrageous case in the last few years. It is far worse than Freddie Gray, Michael Brown or Trayvon Martin but it seems to get virtually no media attention.

I suspect every male that participates played with two guns outside of their house growing up.

You like making very broad generalizations.

The one you make the most is about not judging 16-18 year olds for doing stupid/illegal stuff, b/c what 16-18 year old didn't? I didn't. And most of my friends didn't. That is who.

As for playing outside with guns, I don't remember a) every having a toy gun that looked real, b) having any gun that looked remotely real at a public park, and definitely c) have a bb or pellet gun out in public.

I'm not saying the kid should have been shot b/c he had a pellet gun in a park, but name one thing a kid with a pellet gun in a park can be doing that isn't dangerous or destructive? Nothing. The answer is nothing.

His parents should have known better than to let him go to a public park with a gun like that. He isn't the first person to be shot while holding a pellet gun that looked like a real gun either.

 

[bocabull]

Each case is different yet they are all the same. There is no question these men are all dead because black males are profiled and burdened with a presumption of guilt.

Trayvon and Freddie are the worst examples because they were both just literally minding their own business and were followed and confronted. Tamir is a terrible tragedy and the officer should at least face manslaughter charges like the old fart in Tulsa but he at least thought the kid had a real gun.

The bottom line is that guns make everybody less safe. The further you stay away from them the safer you are.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Each case is different yet they are all the same. There is no question these men are all dead because black males are profiled and burdened with a presumption of guilt.
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you realize that the guy charged in the freddie case is black right? now what?

maybe they presumed freddie was guilty b/c he took off running when he saw the cops? no that is too crazy

 

[bocabull]

Presumed he was guilty of what? Explain probable cause for chasing him down. Explain probable cause for the serial criminal Zimmerman to hunt down Travyon.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Presumed he was guilty of what? Explain probable cause for chasing him down.

Never said it was probable cause...but you act like freddie was just merrily walking down the street when the cops approached him. Think say it is b/c he is black. Well seeing how a black cop was involved and how they went after him b/c he was fleeing, that kind of goes against your theory. It's funny that after it came out that several of those charged were black, the left's stance changed from he was arrested and beaten b/c he was black to race doesn't matter, it is a cop issue.

Explain probable cause for the serial criminal Zimmerman to hunt down Travyon.

i'm not even opening that up again. nice try:ez-laugh:

 

[WTSooner]

Explain probable cause for the serial criminal Zimmerman to hunt down Travyon.

A member of the public doesn't need "probable cause" to a) follow somebody around for a short bit, or b) approach them and ask what they are doing, if they feel something is out of place.

Let's not forget, Trayvon was a black man in a predominantly white neighborhood. A neighborhood that had been recently burglarized by black youths. He was wearing a hoodie like he was trying to hide. And he was walking along the "backs of houses".

Had he just left, or asked Zimmerman why he was being followed, he'd be alive. But from the evidence, he likely jumped him and started attacking him, and then got killed b/c of that thug mentality. All he had to do was leave or approach Zimmerman and have a discussion. He couldn't do either.

 

[DenverSooner]

You like making very broad generalizations.

The one you make the most is about not judging 16-18 year olds for doing stupid/illegal stuff, b/c what 16-18 year old didn't? I didn't. And most of my friends didn't. That is who.

As for playing outside with guns, I don't remember a) every having a toy gun that looked real, b) having any gun that looked remotely real at a public park, and definitely c) have a bb or pellet gun out in public.

I'm not saying the kid should have been shot b/c he had a pellet gun in a park, but name one thing a kid with a pellet gun in a park can be doing that isn't dangerous or destructive? Nothing. The answer is nothing.

His parents should have known better than to let him go to a public park with a gun like that. He isn't the first person to be shot while holding a pellet gun that looked like a real gun either.

I am quite confident the vast majority of males played with toy guns. When I was a kid the guns didn't look very real. Had the guns looked real, those are the guns we would have wanted. Anyone that cannot recognize a 12 year old is a child is stupid. You have to have it in your heart to take greater risk when dealing with a child. You just have too.

As to your comments that you and your friends didn't make poor decisions, I would say you were the exceptions not the rule. Every adult male I know had similar experiences to me. They vary in degree but they all made stupid decisions growing up. Most people can actually acknowledge this. You are either very strange or have some serious problems with honesty.

 

[WTSooner]

I am quite confident the vast majority of males played with toy guns. When I was a kid the guns didn't look very real. Had the guns looked real, those are the guns we would have wanted. Anyone that cannot recognize a 12 year old is a child is stupid. You have to have it in your heart to take greater risk when dealing with a child. You just have too.

As to your comments that you and your friends didn't make poor decisions, I would say you were the exceptions not the rule. Every adult male I know had similar experiences to me. They vary in degree but they all made stupid decisions growing up. Most people can actually acknowledge this. You are either very strange or have some serious problems with honesty.

A pellet gun is not a toy. That is a gross misrepresentation of the facts.

Yes, I played with toy guns. Toy guns that looked like toys. And yes, I shot and/or played with a bb gun. At my grandparents' house, and only at their house, in their yard. They'd have been fools to let me take something like that to the local park. At 12? Sorry, but that is terrible parenting.

And I'll call BS again. Maybe you and your friends were just punks? I don't know what the percentage is, but it's probably around 50/50 in terms of kids making the kinds of mistakes/bad decisions you like to talk about. You can speak from your experiences, but I can speak from my own.

 

[DenverSooner]

Pellet and BB guns are toys. They are marketed to children. I had one as a child as did virtually very kid I know.

If your description of your childhood is accurate you were strange. Normal people pushed boundaries. Normal kids made poor decisions ang got in some trouble. Rational people can see that it is not a huge leap from some of these poor decisions to more serious poor decisions.

You also come across as a judgmental racist. You literally suggested a person shouldn't wear a hoodie. Nice job Heraldo.

 

[coolm]

I have a real hard time railing on police when the suspect brandished a deadly weapon or what appeared to be a deadly weapon. I know this doesn't always yield a palatable result. In fact, among the police I know this is one of their biggest fears.

Any moment of indecision may very well be the difference between whether or not they go home that night. I find it to be excusable just for that reason - even though I know it can lead to horrors.

I do NOT buy the whole "he may take my weapon" justification for killing someone approaching them or engaging them with nothing but his hands. To ME at least this is the risk they are paid to take ... the risk of having to fight someone. But not someone with a deadly weapon.

 

[WTSooner]

You literally suggested a person shouldn't wear a hoodie.

I said no such thing. But it doesn't surprise me that you aren't smart enough to figure that out.

 

[DenverSooner]

Let's not forget, Trayvon was a black man in a predominantly white neighborhood. A neighborhood that had been recently burglarized by black youths. He was wearing a hoodie like he was trying to hide.

Sure you did.

Wearing a hoodie like he was trying to hide suggests a person shouldn't wear a hoodie.

 

[DenverSooner]

I have a real hard time railing on police when the suspect brandished a deadly weapon or what appeared to be a deadly weapon. I know this doesn't always yield a palatable result. In fact, among the police I know this is one of their biggest fears.

Any moment of indecision may very well be the difference between whether or not they go home that night. I find it to be excusable just for that reason - even though I know it can lead to horrors.

I do NOT buy the whole "he may take my weapon" justification for killing someone approaching them or engaging them with nothing but his hands. To ME at least this is the risk they are paid to take ... the risk of having to fight someone. But not someone with a deadly weapon.

I agree with adults but a 12 year cannot be mistaken for an Adult. This story really bothers me.

Once they start fighting the cop, I think the suspect invited the possibly of death.

 

[coolm]

I have discussed just this scenario with friends a lot. I would just end up being shot now, but back when I had a family at home I wouldnt have. Now there is no way I could shoot a kid. When I was protecting my own kids I could have.

 

[DenverSooner]

It is a very difficult situation for the police. I can easily recognize that but I just find it very odd that Michael Brown, Freddie Gray and Eric Garner are the poster children for this movement when this seems like a much better case for the poster child to me.

 

[WTSooner]

Sure you did.

Wearing a hoodie like he was trying to hide suggests a person shouldn't wear a hoodie.

No. No it doesn't.

 

[bocabull]

A member of the public doesn't need "probable cause" to a) follow somebody around for a short bit, or b) approach them and ask what they are doing, if they feel something is out of place.

Let's not forget, Trayvon was a black man in a predominantly white neighborhood. A neighborhood that had been recently burglarized by black youths. He was wearing a hoodie like he was trying to hide. And he was walking along the "backs of houses".

Had he just left, or asked Zimmerman why he was being followed, he'd be alive. But from the evidence, he likely jumped him and started attacking him, and then got killed b/c of that thug mentality. All he had to do was leave or approach Zimmerman and have a discussion. He couldn't do either.

Zimmerman involved in another shooting. This time with a guy from a road rage confrontation last year. The other guy at the time claims Zimmerman threatened to kill him. This is his 4th or 5th violent brush with the law since his bogus acquittal.

Anybody still buying his bull**** stand your ground defense must be one of the dopes still claiming the Iraq war was justified. He was the aggressor against poor dead Trayvon Martin and he's been the aggressor in every other incident since.

 

[WTSooner]

Anybody still buying his bull**** stand your ground defense must be one of the dopes still claiming the Iraq war was justified. He was the aggressor against poor dead Trayvon Martin and he's been the aggressor in every other incident since.

There is ZERO evidence that proves that to be true. None. Not even a shred. That is why the jury, even as it included two women (I think) that wanted to indict him, returned an innocent verdict in a relatively short amount of time.

I think the trial and all the stuff that came from it changed Zimmerman for the worse.

LMAO at "poor Trayvon Martin". Kid would have ended up behind bars before too long had he survived.