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Can anyone believe how much better TT has gotten since her freshman year??

I didn't think she was a DIII player.

Still a few too many mental errors, but w/ game reps- if she continues to improve she will be one of the best point guards in the conference by seasons end. Obviously Alexis Jones is better- but TT is seriously approaching Brook McCarty if she can commit one or two less turnovers a game. Its impressive. Very impressive.

Thats the kind of recruiting that people don't give SC credit for, the ability to see what can be developed. Its impressive to me. Great work, TT
 
I would agree she has improved, but if you had her at a DIII player then I would says may have improved to a DII player. The only shot she has is driving to the basket and at her height that is not good. Maybe by the time she is a senior she might be there, but still needs some work. She needs to become a gym rat and practice shooting from outside and free throws. Just my opinion, but when you recruit a TT at a critical position as PG you need a couple on hand to be able to allow TT to grow, but we don't have that so it is hard to give credit to Sherri when TT plays as she does even if she is improving.
 
Sherri says the same thing. Then, I watch her dribble into a crowd and lose the ball for the umpteenth time, and I wonder why she hasn't learned in four years to do that. I see her miss free throws and wonder why a point guard hasn't learned to shoot free throws.

Last night, early in the game, I was ready to sit her eternally. She threw up about four silly shots in the first couple of minutes of the game, not even coming close. I wanted Maddie or Peyton taking those shots.

Then, she scored how many in the second half. I forgave her---almost---if she'll promise never to dribble into a crowd again.
 
I think driving into a crowd and recognizing when you can finish and when you can't is a game feel thing. You can only get better w/ game reps. But she is also making a ton more of those year and it looks really good when she does finish.

And her ball handling has become second to none. Ive seen her escape three player traps by dribbling out of them at full speed. You can't press her.

And then her Defense is sooo crucial for our team. She doesn't really have Maddies ability to get steals. But she does get some and causes turnovers w hard pressure. There isn't a quicker player in the conference, not even McCarty.

I actually think she gets a little wild in transition and outruns the play some times, but the break is also where she could be one of the best to ever do it by the end of the season.

She does make errors, but her pure talent I would say is Elite and I definitely didn't see that in the beginning.
 
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Sooners4Life0101 said:
I think driving into a crowd and recognizing when you can finish and when you can't is a game feel thing. You can only get better w/ game reps. But she is also making a ton more of those year and it looks really good when she does finish.

And her ball handling has become second to none. Ive seen her escape three player traps by dribbling out of them at full speed. You can't press her.

And then her Defense is sooo crucial for our team. She doesn't really have Maddies ability to get steals. But she does get some and causes turnovers w hard pressure. There isn't a quicker player in the conference, not even McCarty.

I actually think she gets a little wild in transition and outruns the play some times, but the break is also where she could be one of the best to ever do it by the end of the season.

She does make errors, but her pure talent I would say is Elite.
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It's her "basketball skills" that concern me. Did you notice that she threw a pass somewhere in the vicinity of Gioya? Gioya jumped up to tip it back to TT. So, she threw it to Gioya again, way over her head and out of bounds. Two bad passes in two seconds, really bad passes. Then, the next time down the court, she threw a bad pass behind Vivi or over her head and out of bounds. We were four minutes into the game, and Sherri had to pull TT to settle her down. Officially, she had one turnover at that point. But, she also had three missed layups, a missed jumper of four feet, and should have been credited with three turnovers. They were screwing up, and we only fell from 3-0 to 3-4. But, we had a chance to blow it open early. Four shots in three minutes, none close? Three bad passes?
 
Pretty much have to agree with syb on this. TT can make you proud on one possession, then break your heart on the next three.

The kid's got potential, but she's got to start playing under control on the offensive end. If she can do that, perhaps she really can become a special player.
 
bluesooner17 said:
I would agree she has improved, but if you had her at a DIII player then I would says may have improved to a DII player. The only shot she has is driving to the basket and at her height that is not good. Maybe by the time she is a senior she might be there, but still needs some work. She needs to become a gym rat and practice shooting from outside and free throws. Just my opinion, but when you recruit a TT at a critical position as PG you need a couple on hand to be able to allow TT to grow, but we don't have that so it is hard to give credit to Sherri when TT plays as she does even if she is improving.
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TT is a senior.


http://www.soonersports.com/SportSe...1000&SPID=127261&SPSID=750396&DB_OEM_ID=31000
 
I am a T'oya fan, but she had a horrible start. I was saying sit her down even before her third bad pass. You can't teach the quickness she has any more than you can teach Nancy's height. But you have to keep her under control. I think her shooting percentage is pretty close to the top of the team, and her turnovers per minute played is not out of line. Plus, excepting no one this season, our players have not had consistent performance thru the season, or a complete game.
Used correctly, she and Gabbi make an adequate point guard combo.
 
soonermike22 said:
I am a T'oya fan, but she had a horrible start. I was saying sit her down even before her third bad pass. You can't teach the quickness she has any more than you can teach Nancy's height. But you have to keep her under control. I think her shooting percentage is pretty close to the top of the team, and her turnovers per minute played is not out of line. Plus, excepting no one this season, our players have not had consistent performance thru the season, or a complete game.
Used correctly, she and Gabbi make an adequate point guard combo.
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I think the problem that I have is that TT does things that you don't want your point doing. She should not be the one making mistakes. She and Gioya are seniors making freshman mistakes. Maddie kind of got us off to a good start. Usually, a fast start by Maddie is a harbinger of an easy win. I think TT's and Giioya's errors took the momentum away from that. We seem to get a positive charge from TT scoring. But, we get a negative out of her errors. We really had a problem finding another to support Maddie last night. She wasn't really shooting well. At least, her shots weren't falling. They looked good. I rather thought that Maddie's shots in the first half were the only ones that looked serious. They just weren't going in.

It's a bit late in her career for TT to be learning to shoot free throws, maybe develop a short jumper, get control of her driving. I suspect that Shaina will let us see what a point with real quickness looks like.
 
Sybarite is on point regarding TT. At this juncture in a senior's career, T'Ona should have learned to avoid "the dribble to nowhere." Just keeps happening. Her athleticism bails TT out and keeps her on the court, but what will happen in Big 12 play? I choose optimism.....but.......
 
When I played college ball I was the point guard and I wasn't a good shooter. I grew up playing 6 on 6 basketball and was a defensive player having never shot the ball until I got to college and realized the name of the game was scoring. I was a walk-on so when I finally had worked my way into the lineup my coach told me there were 4 other people out there that could score better than me so my job was to get them the ball. To me an assist was just as great as points. But one thing I did was become a gym rat and work any opportunity I had to improve my shooting to the point I could shoot the ball pretty well. Teams would foul me at the end of games when they needed the ball and I surprised them when I could hit free throws but that came from hours and hours in the gym. What I find difficult to understand is how a player in this era of basketball can come out of high school sign a DI scholarship and not at least know how to shoot free throws. TT in my opinion needs to understand she's not the best shooter on the team and work to get the ball to those that are. There are going to be times when she has to shoot because of defensive schemes but the turnovers have got to diminish or they will find it tough going in the Big 12. Just my opinion......
 
I think the main objective of a point guard is to get the ball to the main scorers, in this case Little , Manning, and the post player. They should not be shooting more than any one else on the team. Our 2 point guards, Edwards and Ortiz are seldom on the floor at the same time. Yet, those 2 combined have shot 210 times combined 2 pointers and 3 pointers. Little has 199 and Manning 160. This needs to change ASAP.
 
soonerstar said:
I think the main objective of a point guard is to get the ball to the main scorers, in this case Little , Manning, and the post player. They should not be shooting more than any one else on the team. Our 2 point guards, Edwards and Ortiz are seldom on the floor at the same time. Yet, those 2 combined have shot 210 times combined 2 pointers and 3 pointers. Little has 199 and Manning 160. This needs to change ASAP.
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I guess you'd bench Russell Westbrook. Your statistics are misleading. Edwards and Ortiz between have a lot more minutes per game than any of the other individual players. Also, Ortiz was rectuited as a shooting point guard.
 
35TangoTango said:
I guess you'd bench Russell Westbrook. Your statistics are misleading. Edwards and Ortiz between have a lot more minutes per game than any of the other individual players. Also, Ortiz was rectuited as a shooting point guard.
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TT is playing 19.7 m/g, Ortiz 19.6 m/g. Little averages 29.8 and Maddie 29.4. Carter, Vivi, TT, Ortiz and Dungee are playing about the same averaging 18.5-20.2. I then drops to 10.3 for LaNesia

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35TangoTango said:
I guess you'd bench Russell Westbrook. Your statistics are misleading. Edwards and Ortiz between have a lot more minutes per game than any of the other individual players. Also, Ortiz was rectuited as a shooting point guard.
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Ortiz may have been recruited as a shooting guard, but she is shooting 31% on 2 pointers and 21% on 3 pointers.
 
35TangoTango said:
That doesn't seem right. If Edwards and Ortiz are each playing about 20 minutes per game, who is playing point guard the other 20 minutes?
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By my count there are four ten minute quarters or 40 minutes in a game. Edwards is averaging 19.7 and Ortiz 19.6. That leaves only 0.7 of a minute or 42 seconds plus the little time that TT and Gabbie are both on the court at the same time which I have only seen a couple of times. You'll have to inquire with SoonerSports.com or Sherri for a more detailed explanation.
 
Gabbi was recruited as a shooting point guard. In earlier years, she shot 33.33% and 31.34% from three, with most of her attempts coming from three-point range. It seems that everyone is down a bit this year. Derica, e.g., has been at 33.33%, 31.75%, and 39.39%. Then, this year, she is at 26.09%. Peyton is 2% lower than she has ever shot.
 
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