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Video of individual workouts (Clark, Neal, Osby, M'Baye)
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Interesting that Clark worked out with the bigs. Might have been just to even the numbers up a bit, but I really don't see Clark ever playing the 4, unless we're just going small to press or get an end of game/half shot.
This a pretty good example of how two people can see the same thing and draw different conclusions.
Cam wasn't working out with 4's. Neal,Osby, and M'buy are wings. Kruger has said, " Osby is a natural perimeter player. But, we may need him to bang inside some." Same with Neal. The only reason he played inside in HS was because he was the big kid at that level. And M'buy can line up about anywhere.
They were running wing type drills. (breaking down and creating off the dribble) M'buy can get by a typical guard with ease. We will see about the others.
In general terms, Kruger has 3 positions. Guards,wings, and bigs that he will mix and match at different times and in different circustances. The next video will probably be bigs. I'm guessing Arent,Fitz,CJ, and mayby Honere. Trust your eyes.
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I still refuse to call those guys (other than Cam) wings. Wings are guys like Cam and Crocker. Those other guys are 4's with range or the abilility to step out a bit, however you want to word it.
But you make a good point.....Cam wasn't working out with Fitz and Arent.
Unless I missed it, you realize they didn't do a single drill where the guys took more than one or two dribbles, right? They also didn't do a single drill where the guys didn't start off in the post. Call them what you want, but most of those guys are going to get minutes at the 4, and they are going to have to play "inside" some.
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Oh, and I think that is true of just about every coach these days. There aren't many true centers anymore, and alot of teams go small because of it. Those small 4's are what you call a wing. I call it a versatile 4, in the mold of Selvy/Ace/Najera. Would you call Ace or Najera a wing?
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Henson talked a lot at the end about beating guys off the dribble and how Cam needed to attack and get to the FT line.
I would call Najera a wing. Ace played some 5 during his career, so I wouldn't call him a wing.
I think being able to play the wing comes down to defense. Can you defend other guards/wings? That is what concerns me about Neal. Cam did a decent job last year. Jury will be out on Osby this year.
I think the term wing used to be commonly called small forward. Small forwards have the ability to play both inside and out. The college game has shifted towards using SFs in the traditional PF spot. Classically, your PF didn't shoot many shots from BTA and rarely took guys off the dribble. Today's 4s commonly do both.
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neal is the only one of those guys that is not a true "3" ... osby is a 3 he will be a 3 as a pro (nba or overseas) osby can defend 2's and 3's he has guard handle
i am starting to think that if TMAC and KD were on OU's team WT would refuse to call them 3's and if Kobe was on OU he would be too tall to be a 2
i am starting to think that if TMAC and KD were on OU's team WT would refuse to call them 3's and if Kobe was on OU he would be too tall to be a 2
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Are you really trying to compare the college and NBA games? Not even CLOSE when you talk about personnel.
And if I remember correctly, KD played a TON of minutes inside (4/5), and very few as a "3".
We hear stuff like "Osby can guard 2's" every year. It never happens. Never. Taylor Griffin couldn't even effectively play the 3 in college, and he is more "mobile" then Osby.
You don't have to believe me. Watch it play out that way in a few months.
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TG couldn't shoot or dribble .. of course he couldn't play the 3 in college well ... he was just a freak athlete ..
Osby is a very good athlete that is also a very very good basketball player ..
and KD never played the 5 in austin and played the 3 a bunch .. along with the 4 (but only on D .. he was never the "4" on O he was a wing period
Osby is a very good athlete that is also a very very good basketball player ..
and KD never played the 5 in austin and played the 3 a bunch .. along with the 4 (but only on D .. he was never the "4" on O he was a wing period
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I bet he guarded some 5's.
And he did not play the 3 a bunch. Go back and look at some box scores. Look at the UT roster while he was there. He played the 4. And just b/c on offense he drifted out to the perimeter, doesn't make him a wing. Seriously? Ace and Najera both spent a TON of time outside the 3 point line, even though they were both PF's on the teams they played in. Ace was NEVER anything but a 4, yet he took 100 three pointers one season, if I remember correctly. He still played the 4.
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yes small forward ... the 3 ..
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he played a ton of "3" .. he didn't "drift" to the outside .. he played the wing
had wing iso's .. came off screen to catch and shoot .. drove to the hole ..
he did far more of those things then ever post up ..
Ace and Najera were "4" ... KD was not
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And he did those things as a 4. There were three "guards" on the floor with KD at all times. KD guarded the other team's 4 or 5. And the other team's 4/5 guarded him.
Not always. But nearly always.
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I will say this though. KD probably could have done okay playing the 3 full time in college. He certainly would have been fine offensively. Defensively, I think his length would help him overcome the difficulties of guarding smaller guys.
That said, comparing Osby to a guy that is on an NBA HOF career path, seems.....odd?
That said, comparing Osby to a guy that is on an NBA HOF career path, seems.....odd?
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how much would you like to bet .. or we could have a board ban bet ..
he will play the 3 in the first 15 min of the first game this season
he will play the 3 in the first 15 min of the first game this season
That's like calling the 3rd or 4th WR a TE because there are 2 or 3 other WRs on the field at the same time. To me a 4 is a power forward and when I think of a 4 it is a guy who can play with his face to the basket and knock down the open mid-range jumper. Not a guy who is handling the ball on a pick and roll or coming off screens for jump shots. Blake Griffin is/was a 4. Marcus Fizer, Byron Houston, Tiny Gallon, the Morris twins, ... those guys are 4s.
Trying to pigeon hole college guys into the NBA numbering system is a waste of time. There are very few 5s and most players fall into the 2-3 category. Very few college teams can put a 1-2-3-4-5 line-up out on the floor. Most are 1-2-2/3-3-4.
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