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Apparently, nobody is reading the softball threads to notice that OU has commitments from the top recruit in the nation (according to FloSoftball) in 2018, 2019, and 2020.
2018 Brooke Vestal Pitcher---won the national title game this year.
2019 Kenzie Hansen: a catcher that you will not believe, tall and athletic, can hit for power.
2020 Jayda Coleman: a left-handed shortstop
 
Apparently, nobody is reading the softball threads to notice that OU has commitments from the top recruit in the nation (according to FloSoftball) in 2018, 2019, and 2020.
2018 Brooke Vestal Pitcher---won the national title game this year.
2019 Kenzie Hansen: a catcher that you will not believe, tall and athletic, can hit for power.
2020 Jayda Coleman: a left-handed shortstop

:woot
 
Looks like our Sooners will keep kicking SEC hiney in the WCWS for the foreseeable future.
 
Looks like our Sooners will keep kicking SEC hiney in the WCWS for the foreseeable future.

Nothing would make me happier. I'm a huge OU women's softball fan! I thought last year's team was more exciting than our 2013 NC team. They didn't hit as many long balls over the fence, but they were more versatile in every other aspect of the game.

With nearly everyone returning next season, I see back to back titles in our future!
 
Gasso has this program at such an elite level. If things go the way a lot of people think they will, Patty could get 3 or 4 more titles before she calls it quits. Maybe more...
 
Gasso has this program at such an elite level. If things go the way a lot of people think they will, Patty could get 3 or 4 more titles before she calls it quits. Maybe more...

Nothing could please me more than for Patty to win 3 or 4 more national titles. However with Patty being 55 before the next WCWS she probably only has 8-10 more opportunities before she retires. Personally I think it will be highly improbable that she wins more than two more and very remotely 3 more before she hangs it up. Too much luck is involved in winning it all.

Fortunately we still have Paige for two more seasons and that is very key at least 1 more title. We could have the top H.S. pitching prospect arrive in Norman three or four more times after Paige and never have another Paige Parker. She is a once in a lifetime talent. She has talent, she has tenacity and she has the ability to get tough when the going gets tough. Verey few have it all and Paige does.

Last year OU was 14-6 against power 5 conference teams. Let one of those losses (we did have 2 one run wins in the WCWS) be in the first two rounds and our championship might have been a dream as coming out of the loser's bracket with only Paige to throw would have been difficult. As she would have been needed for 1 or two more starts to win it all. Generally speaking you need a lot more than just talent and pitching to win it all. You need a tremendous amount of luck and you don't always get it to go your way like it didn't go our way against Alabama in the 2012 WCWS which should have been another championship year.

But let's cross our fingers that she reaches that milestone of 3-4 more WCWS titles.
 
Gasso has this program at such an elite level. If things go the way a lot of people think they will, Patty could get 3 or 4 more titles before she calls it quits. Maybe more...

Nothing could please me more than for Patty to win 3 or 4 more national titles. However with Patty being 55 before the next WCWS she probably only has 8-10 more opportunities before she retires. Personally I think it will be highly improbable that she wins more than two more and very remotely 3 more before she hangs it up. Too much luck is involved in winning it all.

Fortunately we still have Paige for two more seasons and that is very key at least 1 more title. We could have the top H.S. pitching prospect arrive in Norman three or four more times after Paige and never have another Paige Parker. She is a once in a lifetime talent. She has talent, she has tenacity and she has the ability to get tough when the going gets tough. Verey few have it all and Paige does.

Last year OU was 14-6 against power 5 conference teams. Let one of those losses (we did have 2 one run wins in the WCWS) be in the first two rounds and our championship might have been a dream as coming out of the loser's bracket with only Paige to throw would have been difficult. As she would have been needed for 1 or two more starts to win it all. Generally speaking you need a lot more than just talent and pitching to win it all. You need a tremendous amount of luck and you don't always get it to go your way like it didn't go our way against Alabama in the 2012 WCWS which should have been another championship year.

But let's cross our fingers that she reaches that milestone of 4-5 more WCWS titles.
 
Patty's staff needs to hold recruiting seminars with the Football and women's basketball coaches !!!!
 
For certain the B12 does not have the attraction of the SEC and Pawac12 to draw top national recruits to Norman but Patty continues to defy the odds and get top national recruiting classes and players. Patty is in a class of 1 no one approaches what she is presently doing with the game of NCAA softball. Except perhaps her protege Tim Walton who has won a couple of WCWS recently.
 
Spock, I would say OU and Florida will be numbers one and two to start the season. Outside of these two, I guess you would throw Alabama, Tennessee, and who else am I leaving out?
 
Florida graduated the core of that three-year run, and they may only be about #10 or so. Auburn still has a lot. Tennessee is on the rise, as is Kentucky. LSU can't be discounted, nor Bama.

Out west, UCLA should be pretty solid after returning everyone. Oregon loses its key, but they still have some talent. Arizona may be the team to beat out west. Michigan lost the Sierras and their top pitcher. They will be good, but not as devastating.

FloSoftball had a piece that was linked on this site. They forecast #2-10 as being good. But, they place OU way up above the rest.

On paper, we are a lot better than anyone else. We have the best proven key game pitcher in Paige Parker. We have the proven hitting all the way through the lineup, and we have defense up the middle: catcher, shortstop, second, and centerfield. If you look at the playoff run, it was fueled primarily by freshmen hitting and sophomores on defense.

I understand that the newcomers are really looking strong, and we have four or five pitchers now.
 
If you look at FloSoftball team recruiting ranking for the last 5 years posted 2014-18 except 2015 which they are publishing only on the subscriber Pro series OU ranks #4 in composite class rankings behind #1 UCLA (18), #2 Oregon (33), #2 Florida (33), #4 OU (36), #4 Washington (36), #6 Tennessee (37), #6 LSU (37), #8 Alabama (38), #9 Arizona (67), #10 Auburn (71) and #11 Michigan (83).

I used the class rankings from Full Court for 2015 in lieu of FloSoftball. Points were calculated with 1 point for first, 2 point for second....10 point for 10th, etc. OU's being ranked only 4th was due to FloSoftball ranking the 2014 Sooners' class at only #21. The other 4 seasons their class was ranked #1, #4, #9 and #1.

UCLA was ranked #4, #1, #8, #4 and #1. Oregon was ranked #9, #7, #1, #9 and #5. Florida was ranked #8, #2, #17, #2 and #4.


http://www.flosoftball.com/article/35127-top-25-recruiting-classes-2014-039-s

http://www.flosoftball.com/article/34304-top-25-recruiting-classes-2016-s-9-28

http://www.flosoftball.com/article/34051-top-25-recruiting-classes-2017-s-12-21

http://www.flosoftball.com/article/33754-top-25-recruiting-classes-2018-s-4-6

http://emspeedtraining.com/top-college-softball-recruiting-class-2015/
 
Therein lies the problem with recruiting rankings. The #21 ranked 2014 class contained Lookout and Hatfied. Oh. but wait!! That 2014 class also contained:

Nicole Pendley---centerfielder as a freshman and sophomore.
Kelsey Arnold---third base as a freshman, shortstop as a sophomore
Lea Wodach----catcher as a sophomore

There is the defensive middle of a national title team: catcher, shortstop, centerfielder---all as sophomores.

Oh. And, there was that one other 2014 recruit:

Paige Parker---National Freshman of the Year, pitcher in the championship game as OU won the national title with four sophomores and a freshman (Caleigh Clifton) up the middle.

Wonder if that class might be ranked a bit higher upon reflection.
 
Therein lies the problem with recruiting rankings. The #21 ranked 2014 class contained Lookout and Hatfied. Oh. but wait!! That 2014 class also contained:

Nicole Pendley---centerfielder as a freshman and sophomore.
Kelsey Arnold---third base as a freshman, shortstop as a sophomore
Lea Wodach----catcher as a sophomore

There is the defensive middle of a national title team: catcher, shortstop, centerfielder---all as sophomores.

Oh. And, there was that one other 2014 recruit:

Paige Parker---National Freshman of the Year, pitcher in the championship game as OU won the national title with four sophomores and a freshman (Caleigh Clifton) up the middle.

Wonder if that class might be ranked a bit higher upon reflection.


No question there are not absolutes in recruiting as it is not a exact science and projections are much less precise in the sports other than football because of more limited efforts to evaluate players and hence less data available. However, because of the level of summer AAU play for softball I suspect there may be a better assessment available for softball because their AAU programs are more developed than in women's basketball which is growing rapidly.

The touting services are mere attempts to project the uncertain future of a player/teams and the likelihood they will become an elite player/team for which you have both hits and misses. Just as FloSoftball may have under estimated the 2014 Sooner class the top rated 2015 class had its misses that did not truly fit the Sooners like Brittany Finney and Jayden Chestnut who have transferred and to date Kylie Lundberg who is yet to produce as projected coming out of high school but still on the roster.

Because of the immense availability of data recruiting services can best be evaluated for football and the statistics from one study is listed below. But results from the other sports would show similar results while probably having a higher error factor due to limited data/assessment. Still the systems are highly effective at projecting an uncertain future. What is often forgotten is the miss factor which is relatively high for all ranking classifications.

Odds of Becoming a football All-American, by Recruiting Ranking

5–Star: 1 in 4.
Top 100: 1 in 6.
4–Star: 1 in 16.
3–Star: 1 in 56.
2–Star: 1 in 127.
All FBS Signees: 1 in 45.

I personally did an analysis of OU football signees from 2001-10 and determined that about 25% of OU's 5* signees were bust, about 50% of their 4* signees were bust and about 25% of their 3* signees were bust. They did not sign enough 2* and 1* athletes to make a statistical projection. Starters, backups and special teams players were considered successful signees.

I think the recruiting ranking are accurate enough to project that the future WCWS participants for the next 5 years will be produced 75%+ of the time (28-40) from the top 11 class recruiting rankings I presented in a earlier post on this thread. They have produced 14 of 16 participants the last two years and 28 of 40 the last 5 years which does not account for ASU where Clint Myers had ASU winning national championships and top recruiting classes. Include ASU and the number is 30-40.


http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/eye-on-college-football/21641769
 
I think football and men's basketball are very different in that the recruiting evaluations involve a lot more sources than other sports. They have been around a long time, and they have a lot of people who make their living in the field.
 
There are also a lot more players in football and to a lesser extent in basketball so there are a lot more sleepers in the mix such as Cousins. Also Kruger invested a lot in Cousins because he saw the potential as a point guard when no one else could see it.
 
As I noted in my post football reference recruiting analysis is much more accurate more sources are evaluating the recruits and spending much more time in their assessments than in the other sports. Hence much more detailed data and accordingly more accurate in their evaluations. More hits and fewer misses.

If you read in detail the cbssports.com link I provided in detail including their classification of the top 68 teams by star classes and see how each class performed against the other classes they validate with a high degree of accuracy their assessments.
 
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