604 Division I Transfers in 2014

[sperry]

Most likely you have made money for them for 3 years bc you had to have most likely redshirted one year.

And the school is getting a raw deal bc the school invested in your development and your bailing on them at the height of your talent bc you don't have to redshirt. I'm ok if you transfer and sit out a year, I'm not for immediate eligibility bc you graduated. Smaller schools take a huge hit bc of this. On Espns top 20 transfers of this year, of the 9 that are eligible to play immediately, 6 of them are from smaller schools.

If I'm a coach at Southern Utah Tech, and I have a kid transfer to Duke, I'm telling recruits about that. Look, I'll coach you up, and if you do great things you can transfer to Duke and then go play in the NBA.

Why on earth are we trying to limit the options of the student-athletes to "protect" the schools? It just makes no sense to me whatsoever.


And it is like a job, regardless. Who do you think has more connections for a future in professional basketball, or a future in coaching? The coach of Grambling, or Tom Izzo or Billy Donovan or Roy Williams.

 

[Max Power]

If I'm a coach at Southern Utah Tech, and I have a kid transfer to Duke, I'm telling recruits about that. Look, I'll coach you up, and if you do great things you can transfer to Duke and then go play in the NBA.

Why on earth are we trying to limit the options of the student-athletes to "protect" the schools? It just makes no sense to me whatsoever.

Bingo

 

[bgrch1350]

Better education, more games on TV so more chances to be seen, more scouts present since you can transfer to a school with better players. You said yourself kids from smaller schools are going to big schools, that's what the big schools can offer.

So yes it is like leaving for a better job, since the value of a scholarship and the other benefits is a form of payment.

Better education? Please explain
More games on tv. Perhaps.

 

[bgrch1350]

If I'm a coach at Southern Utah Tech, and I have a kid transfer to Duke, I'm telling recruits about that. Look, I'll coach you up, and if you do great things you can transfer to Duke and then go play in the NBA.

Why on earth are we trying to limit the options of the student-athletes to "protect" the schools? It just makes no sense to me whatsoever.

If you are the coach at southern Utah tech and you tell kids that. Good luck keeping your job.
And it is like a job, regardless. Who do you think has more connections for a future in professional basketball, or a future in coaching? The coach of Grambling, or Tom Izzo or Billy Donovan or Roy Williams.

If you are the coach at southern Utah tech and you are telling kids that. Good luck keeping a job.

 

[Smash Williams]

Most likely you have made money for them for 3 years bc you had to have most likely redshirted one year.

And the school is getting a raw deal bc the school invested in your development and your bailing on them at the height of your talent bc you don't have to redshirt. I'm ok if you transfer and sit out a year, I'm not for immediate eligibility bc you graduated. Smaller schools take a huge hit bc of this. On Espns top 20 transfers of this year, of the 9 that are eligible to play immediately, 6 of them are from smaller schools.

If a National Merit Scholar at OU decides to transfer to a more prestigious out of state school, should that student have to sit out of school for a year because they bailed on a university that invested in their development?

 

[campbest]

If you are the coach at southern Utah tech and you are telling kids that. Good luck keeping a job.

You would actually get hired by a larger school for being able to source under recruited talent.

So yeah, both player and coach would win.

 

[campbest]

Better education? Please explain

MBA isn't better than a BBA?

 

[Max Power]

Better education? Please explain
More games on tv. Perhaps.

Easy masters at Duke or stanford vs bachelor's at Texas southern

Or are you going to pretend the education at every d1 school is equal.

 

[sperry]

If a National Merit Scholar at OU decides to transfer to a more prestigious out of state school, should that student have to sit out of school for a year because they bailed on a university that invested in their development?

No, because they aren't the chattel of the university like student athletes are.

 

[bgrch1350]

Easy masters at Duke or stanford vs bachelor's at Texas southern

Or are you going to pretend the education at every d1 school is equal.

Duke and Stanford. Is that where they are all going?

 

[Max Power]

Duke and Stanford. Is that where they are all going?

You can't possibly be that stupid. It's an example.

 

[bgrch1350]

You can't possibly be that stupid. It's an example.

You pick the 2 top educational schools. Of course their better.

 

[Sweetest OU Girl]

The main concern about graduate student transfers (when eligibility is left) seems to be that they often can't finish a degree in one year.

An obvious solution is to require the accepting school to be required to fund the second year of graduate school after their eligibility is used up. Perhaps requiring the student to use that "non-athletic" scholarship the very next year.

 

[campbest]

The main concern about graduate student transfers (when eligibility is left) seems to be that they often can't finish a degree in one year.

There are tons of programs that offer one-year grad degrees.

 

[BoulderSooner]

So why is the high number of transfers a problem? Just saying that the number of transfers has increased doesn't make it a bad thing, for all the reasons sperry brought up earlier. Does it mean fewer kids are graduating or going to class? Are there really negative consequences for student-athletes from all the transfers? My guess is that this is just bad for coaches who don't know which players they can count on.

If they want to get rid of transfers and force kids to stay at the school they committed to as a 17 year old, then they should require scholarships to be 4 year commitments from the school as well, not year - to - year commitments that schools renew if they feel like it.

Sometimes it's not the right fit. Kids want to play and sometimes the coach leaves or gets fired and it's in both the team's and player's best interest for him to move along. Unless there's some problem caused by transfers other than the number of transfers themselves, I fail to see the problem.

this 100% and fyi .. the power 5 confs will all have required 4 year ships starting this august .... ie can't kick off a player for anything performance related ..

 

[SoonerTraveler]

... Why on earth are we trying to limit the options of the student-athletes to "protect" the schools? It just makes no sense to me whatsoever.

^ This. It makes no sense, unless one believes in the concept of servitude, or one favors the power of the “institution” over the rights of the individual.

Servitude: a condition in which one lacks liberty; especially to determine one's course of action or way of life.
> Synonyms: bondage, enslavement, servility, slavery, thrall
> Antonyms: freedom, liberty, freeman

The NCAA has put out propaganda that its primary mission is to benefit student athletes, but, like most organizations, it has multiple goals. The NCAA does benefit student-athletes, but the NCAA’s primary purpose is to maximize the money for its member institutions. Any rule change takes this primary purpose into consideration.

I’m all for the profit motive, but I’m not for the hypocrisy of institutions (public or private) that claim that their actions are based primarily on altruism. Changes to the NCAA rules are decided by school administrators. Those administrators make big bucks to keep their athletic departments in big bucks.

 

[Max Power]

You pick the 2 top educational schools. Of course their better.

ok a kid can go from La Tech to Texas, is that better. Or from Southern to OU.

 

[bgrch1350]

ok a kid can go from La Tech to Texas, is that better. Or from Southern to OU.

Honestly Idk if a degree of Texas is better than one from la tech. Let's be honest, the kids transferring aren't doing it for educational reasons. Most athletes aren't getting degrees in a major that means more from Texas then la tech.

 

[campbest]

Honestly Idk if a degree of Texas is better than one from la tech.

lol

 

[Zimwillett]

Honestly Idk if a degree of Texas is better than one from la tech. Let's be honest, the kids transferring aren't doing it for educational reasons. Most athletes aren't getting degrees in a major that means more from Texas then la tech.

First, I hate UT as much as the next guy, but that's an utterly absurd statement. Texas is #53 among "national universities" according to US News. La. Tech is #201. And take it from someone who lived and worked in Texas for a long time. A degree from UT has the potential to open a lot of doors. I somehow doubt that a degree from Tech opens the same kinds of doors either nationally or in the state of Louisiana. I won't even get into the "quality of life" differences between Austin, TX and Ruston, LA.

Plus, who cares if it's not about academics? Tashawn Thomas is a good example (I know he wasn't technically a "graduate transfer"). He may or may not have factored academics in his transfer (OU #106 vs. UH #189), but it doesn't really matter. By transferring to OU, Thomas got to finally compete in an NCAA tournament, he got far more national exposure and more chances to be professionally scouted, I assume (but don't know for sure) that he got access to far superior facilities, etc.

Why would you make a rule that denies opportunities to a student who puts in the time and effort to complete his/her degree early? It just doesn't make any sense.