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Had Reynolds and James been held to their agreements, they might have believed Jeff Capel was precisely what they sought as a coach. But Castiglione, one of college sports’ most respected athletic directors, did the right thing by letting the signees out of their letters of intent even if it cost his basketball program.

“I’ve been criticized by some for doing that,” Castiglione said.
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But seriously, if Capel was going to be on the hot seat next year, this will probably give Capel a pass from Joe C. I would think he might see this coming.

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chiron said:
But seriously, if Capel was going to be on the hot seat next year, this will probably give Capel a pass from Joe C. I would think he might see this coming.

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Did he not even talk to Capel before he did that? I don't have a huge problem with the decision but I think OU should have told the players releases would only be granted after the recruit, the recruit's parents and Capel had a chance to sit down and meet in person. (Assuming NCAA rules allowed an in home visit at that point - surely OU could have petitioned for an acception if it was not allowed).
 
Even though it's not popular opinion on this message board, although it's becoming more popular with each mounting loss, I think it's all Joe Castiglione's fault.

He hired Capel, who was considered an "up and comer" after a few decent seasons at VCU. Why would a program, which was easily the 2nd best program in the Big 12 at the time, need to hire an "up and comer"?

7 conference tourney championships, 5 regular season titles, 8 sweet 16's, 4 elite 8's, and 25 straight post-season appearances (most of which were in the dance) since 1978 (the post-season streak actually started in 82). Are you telling me we couldn't get a proven coach?
 
Don't know all the details but I think Calipari, Wright and Turgeon all turned us down.
 
Big Old Booger said:
Even though it's not popular opinion on this message board, although it's becoming more popular with each mounting loss, I think it's all Joe Castiglione's fault.

He hired Capel, who was considered an "up and comer" after a few decent seasons at VCU. Why would a program, which was easily the 2nd best program in the Big 12 at the time, need to hire an "up and comer"?

7 conference tourney championships, 5 regular season titles, 8 sweet 16's, 4 elite 8's, and 25 straight post-season appearances (most of which were in the dance) since 1978 (the post-season streak actually started in 82). Are you telling me we couldn't get a proven coach?
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I see your point, but Coach Stoops was also an up and comer who hadn't even been a head coach. Not saying Coach Capel will mimic the success that Stoops has, but we will find out alot about what kind of coach he is next season. He's helped steer us into a trainwreck, now I want to see how he handles it.
 
there were several errors in this report... THe number of conference tournament champions are 6 three tubbs three samson, the number of sweet sixteens are 7 exclusive of Bliss and Capel with one each. The number of elite 8's is correct for Samson and Tubbs two each, The regular season titles is right Tubbs 4 Samson one.
 
cfin5256 said:
I see your point, but Coach Stoops was also an up and comer who hadn't even been a head coach. Not saying Coach Capel will mimic the success that Stoops has, but we will find out alot about what kind of coach he is next season. He's helped steer us into a trainwreck, now I want to see how he handles it.
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It's hard to compare Coach Stoops to Capel...in fact impossible.

The OU football program at the time Stoops was hired was thought to be a "sleeping giant" due to the results of the previous 10 years. The OU basketball program was in very good shape with plenty of post-season appearances and some great recruits signed-up and ready to be sooners.

Stoops was also considered the top assistant coach in college football, while Capel wasn't even on the radar of up and coming coaches. Travis Ford was on the radar more than Capel was at that time.
 
campbest said:
Don't know all the details but I think Calipari, Wright and Turgeon all turned us down.
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I'm pretty sure Turgeon did. I didn't know about Wright. And I don't know how serious Calipari/OU was (if at all), as Calipari was focused on the NC State opening (he nearly left Memphis for that job).
 
jwg said:
there were several errors in this report... THe number of conference tournament champions are 6 three tubbs three samson, the number of sweet sixteens are 7 exclusive of Bliss and Capel with one each. The number of elite 8's is correct for Samson and Tubbs two each, The regular season titles is right Tubbs 4 Samson one.
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You need to go back and read my post. I stated since 1978 which was when Bliss was the head coach. That season we won the Big 8 regular season title, big 8 tournament, and advanced to the sweet 16.

As I said in the post though, the post-season streak actually started in 82.

Sweet 16's since 1978 (Pre Capel):

1978
1985
1987
1988
1989
1999
2002
2003

Elite 8's (Pre Capel):
1985
1987
2002
2003

Regular season titles:
1978
1984
1985
1988
1989
2005

So, I was one off on the regular season titles...I think I forgot about 89.
 
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stoops4pres said:
He was more then you'd think. He turned down a Big 12 program before accepting OU.
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I disagree. The college basketball guru for the Sporting News, Mike DeCourcy, was stunned, to say the least that OU would hire a Capel as the head coach. He could not believe a program like OU would hire an "up and comer", and of the "up and comers" he was stunned we picked Capel.

Now, he has since recanted that statement after last season, but this year he has waivered in whether he thinks Capel can do with the OU program what other coaches could do.
 
Any talk of replacing Capel is premature. We're going to have our first losing season in nearly 30 years, but I'm not sure that's all Capel's fault. If, however, we miss the NCAA Tournament again next year, he has to go. OU may be a football school, but we have a damn fine basketball tradition, too. We better be in the dance next March!
 
How do you guys possibly know who turned down what job.

Joe C is too smart to actually get turned down. He would contact people behind the scene and make sure they were interested. He would not allow OU and himself to look foolish. I may not agree with everything he does but the guy does a good job.
 
soonerbms said:
Any talk of replacing Capel is premature. We're going to have our first losing season in nearly 30 years, but I'm not sure that's all Capel's fault. If, however, we miss the NCAA Tournament again next year, he has to go. OU may be a football school, but we have a damn fine basketball tradition, too. We better be in the dance next March!
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That's kind of the way I feel. It's been a tough season, and a frustrating one, but we are still one season removed from an EE appearance. I understand that Blake made Capel's job easier last season with his on and off the court leadership, but Coach still deserves his share of the credit for what that team achieved. To fire him after this season would be stupid IMO. This team, for whatever reason, never did bond or mesh well, and it's showed on the court. If Capel's the coach I hope and believe he is, then he has learned alot from this season, and, as a result, we will see a BB product next season closer in quality to what we're accustomed.
 
DenverSooner said:
How do you guys possibly know who turned down what job.

Joe C is too smart to actually get turned down. He would contact people behind the scene and make sure they were interested. He would not allow OU and himself to look foolish. I may not agree with everything he does but the guy does a good job.
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Thought I remember Wright's name being thrown around quite a bit when there was a vacancy, and him saying he wasn't going anywhere. That's different than being offered and turning it down, but whatever. Same thing with Turgeon.
 
campbest said:
Thought I remember Wright's name being thrown around quite a bit when there was a vacancy, and him saying he wasn't going anywhere. That's different than being offered and turning it down, but whatever. Same thing with Turgeon.
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Stoops gets named for every coaching vacancy and consistently states I did not talk to that school and nobody spoke to them on my behalf. Rumors of potential candidates are just that.

Joe C will not lose his job. Boren isn't going to fire Joe C unless something really bad happens in the athletic dpartment (think major infractions or Baylor Basketbal) or he failed to act for several years and allowed the profitability of the AD to go down signficantly.
 
To me whether a not a guy was "offered" and then "turned us down" or was informally contacted by a search firm and indicated they weren't interested is the same thing. Either way they aren't, and never were, coming here.
 
Big Old Booger said:
Even though it's not popular opinion on this message board, although it's becoming more popular with each mounting loss, I think it's all Joe Castiglione's fault.

He hired Capel, who was considered an "up and comer" after a few decent seasons at VCU. Why would a program, which was easily the 2nd best program in the Big 12 at the time, need to hire an "up and comer"?

7 conference tourney championships, 5 regular season titles, 8 sweet 16's, 4 elite 8's, and 25 straight post-season appearances (most of which were in the dance) since 1978 (the post-season streak actually started in 82). Are you telling me we couldn't get a proven coach?
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Why would a program like Oklahoma need to hire an up and comer like.....Bob Stoops and Barry Switzer? Rethink your argument.
 
I think it was correct of Joe C to allow them out of their LOIs....the only thing I don't agree with is that OU didn't put a stipulation that they couldn't sign with a Big 12 program

Not sure if I'm the only one, but the post-season streak always felt a bit shallow because there were quite a few NIT performances in there....sure it was a nice stat, but it isn't like Zona's current NCAA tourney stat (the one that will probably be snapped this year with KU replacing Zona for the nation's longest)
 
Big Old Booger said:
I disagree. The college basketball guru for the Sporting News, Mike DeCourcy, was stunned, to say the least that OU would hire a Capel as the head coach. He could not believe a program like OU would hire an "up and comer", and of the "up and comers" he was stunned we picked Capel.
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You're disagreeing about something that isn't related to what I said. You previously stated "he wasn't even on the radar for up and coming coaches", which I said "he was (on the radar as an up and coming coach)more then you think." Obviously, he was on the radar if another Big 12 school went after him and he told them he wasn't interested. See what I'm saying?
 
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