Ahhh.... It's Joe C's fault

Now, he has since recanted that statement after last season, but this year he has waivered in whether he thinks Capel can do with the OU program what other coaches could do.
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Seems like he knows as much as the average fan
 
152219 said:
I think it was correct of Joe C to allow them out of their LOIs....the only thing I don't agree with is that OU didn't put a stipulation that they couldn't sign with a Big 12 program

Not sure if I'm the only one, but the post-season streak always felt a bit shallow because there were quite a few NIT performances in there....sure it was a nice stat, but it isn't like Zona's current NCAA tourney stat (the one that will probably be snapped this year with KU replacing Zona for the nation's longest)
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there were not quite a few. There were 4 NIT trips. It was a major accomplishment, something no one else could match.
 
cfin5256 said:
That's kind of the way I feel. It's been a tough season, and a frustrating one, but we are still one season removed from an EE appearance.
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This is a good post. I'm frustrated with this year too. But Capel did a very good job coaching last year. I'm not ready to completely throw him under the bus yet. He's a young coach.
 
DenverSooner said:
there were not quite a few. There were 4 NIT trips. It was a major accomplishment, something no one else could match.
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4 NITs > a few...but if you want to start a semantics argument, then you can go ahead and claim victory.

"something no one else could match"....what?

Zona has 25 straight NCAA tourney berths.

Good chance KU's would be longer if not for the NCAA sanctions
 
boomerbaby said:
Why would a program like Oklahoma need to hire an up and comer like.....Bob Stoops and Barry Switzer? Rethink your argument.
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The Barry Switzer is a bit silly. Switzer was the Offensive Coordinator and natural successor when Chuck Fairbanks left. He may have even been recommended by Fairbanks but you would need someone older than me to comment on that.

Bob Stoops was an up and comer.
 
152219 said:
4 NITs > a few...but if you want to start a semantics argument, then you can go ahead and claim victory.

"something no one else could match"....what?

Zona has 25 straight NCAA tourney berths.

Good chance KU's would be longer if not for the NCAA sanctions
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The reason it was a record is no one else could match it at the time. If it was continuing, meaning OU had squeaked into the NIT in Capel's first season, it would still be the longest streak, notwithstanding Arizona's steak of NCAA appearance. It was a nice accomplishment for the program.

I don't understand why you or anyone that claims to be an OU fan would down play it. That seems similar to saying OU's Big XII football championships don't really matter because OU did not win the national title game. They are still a big accomplishment for the program.
 
I can't see Turgeon turning us down only to accept a position with Texas A&M. Plus I can't see Castiglione getting turned down, making offers that can't be refused and all.
 
And FYI, it was 5 NITs not 4

'82, '91, '93, '94, and '04
 
DenverSooner said:
The reason it was a record is no one else could match it at the time. If it was continuing, meaning OU had squeaked into the NIT in Capel's first season, it would still be the longest streak, notwithstanding Arizona's steak of NCAA appearance. It was a nice accomplishment for the program.

I don't understand why you or anyone that claims to be an OU fan would down play it. That seems similar to saying OU's Big XII football championships don't really matter because OU did not win the national title game. They are still a big accomplishment for the program.
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It was a nice accomplishment but there were 5 NITs in that span. It was also mostly talked about by OU fans.

LOL at "claims to be an OU fan"....I'm an alumnus of the school and didn't miss a single home basketball game when I attended. And have been to many out of town games, including NCAA tourney games.

And your analogy doesn't work, sorry, it was actually quite bad.
 
152219 said:
It was a nice accomplishment but there were 5 NITs in that span. It was also mostly talked about by OU fans.

LOL at "claims to be an OU fan"....I'm an alumnus of the school and didn't miss a single home basketball game when I attended. And have been to many out of town games, including NCAA tourney games.

And your analogy doesn't work, sorry, it was actually quite bad.
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I did not say you weren't an OU fan. I said I don't understand why you or any OU fan ... That is not remotely suggesting you are not a fan. I actually assume everyone on this board (other than those that state otherwise) are OU fans and alumni (the alumni part is probably a poor assumption but I do make that assumption).
 
Mackie McNeer said:
I can't see Turgeon turning us down only to accept a position with Texas A&M. Plus I can't see Castiglione getting turned down, making offers that can't be refused and all.
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I can't either.

I was thinking maybe he felt after having a great year in '06 that he could get a better job than OU, and then after his down year in '07 he thought that perhaps he shouldn't be waiting for the "grand offer" anymore. That or perhaps he believed OU could be in more trouble with the NCAA then he'd want to deal with. Not sure.
 
stoops4pres said:
I can't either.

I was thinking maybe he felt after having a great year in '06 that he could get a better job than OU, and then after his down year in '07 he thought that perhaps he shouldn't be waiting for the "grand offer" anymore. That or perhaps he believed OU could be in more trouble with the NCAA then he'd want to deal with. Not sure.
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yeah, i think it was much more about returning to wsu after each particular year than it was about a&m vs ou.
 
sys said:
yeah, i think it was much more about returning to wsu after each particular year than it was about a&m vs ou.
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Actually, I heard a fairly well known TV announcer on the radio a few years back and they were talking about Turgeon. This guy is a friend of Turgeon's and he said Turgeon did turn down OU because he felt like if he took the OU job, he would never have a chance to coach at KU.

Evidently, according to this announcer, OU is considered a rival of KU, not near as big of a rival as MU or KSU, but it sounded like OU was the next school in line as a rival of KU. A big enough rival that the coach of one could never be the coach of the other.

The announcer said this is exactly what Turgeon told him. Otherwise, he'd have taken the job.
 
152219 said:
It was a nice accomplishment but there were 5 NITs in that span. It was also mostly talked about by OU fans.

LOL at "claims to be an OU fan"....I'm an alumnus of the school and didn't miss a single home basketball game when I attended. And have been to many out of town games, including NCAA tourney games.

And your analogy doesn't work, sorry, it was actually quite bad.
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Well, the NIT in 1982 was only the 2nd post-season bid for the program in a number of years. That's also when they were only taking 48 teams, and it expanded to 64 just 3 years later in 85, so had they taken 64, OU would have most certainly been in the NCAA field.

I can somewhat see your point about the 91, 93 and 94 teams, but considering a number of other programs were sitting at home during those years (we went to the NIT), I think that's a decent accomplishment. Guess what, at this point, I'd die for an NIT bid this year, so it still means something.

For KU is that an accomplishment? No, just like the fact they broke their school record for consecutive bowl appearances at 3 in 2008, but 2 of those bowls were low tier bowls. Would OU count those in some football streak? No, but KU isn't the level of OU in football, and OU isn't the level of KU in basketball.

You are probably one of those football fans who thinks the Big 12 conference championship in football is meaningless if we don't win the NC, too? I strongly disagree with that opinion, by the way.
 
Big Old Booger said:
Actually, I heard a fairly well known TV announcer on the radio a few years back and they were talking about Turgeon. This guy is a friend of Turgeon's and he said Turgeon did turn down OU because he felt like if he took the OU job, he would never have a chance to coach at KU.

Evidently, according to this announcer, OU is considered a rival of KU, not near as big of a rival as MU or KSU, but it sounded like OU was the next school in line as a rival of KU. A big enough rival that the coach of one could never be the coach of the other.

The announcer said this is exactly what Turgeon told him. Otherwise, he'd have taken the job.
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i've heard that story. it's retarded. not saying you're wrong, just that if that was a significant part of turgeon's thought process, he's a retard.
 
the thing is i really think coach capel is a very good college basketball coach. Coach Sampson never had the "McDonalds All-Americans" that Coach Capel has gotten, And done more with the talent that he had IMO . I am not gonna lie, i was very upset when Sampson left for Indiana, do you think he would come back to OU? I really hate to say it, but i wished he would. I never will forget the 2002 season. That was mym favorite season, I remember the 1988 season but I was only 9 years old.
 
sys said:
i've heard that story. it's retarded. not saying you're wrong, just that if that was a significant part of turgeon's thought process, he's a retard.
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I agree with you.

Personally, I don't think he will ever be the coach in Lawrence, because he's not a good enough recruiter and he's pretty boring.
 
Boomer1 said:
the thing is i really think coach capel is a very good college basketball coach. Coach Sampson never had the "McDonalds All-Americans" that Coach Capel has gotten, And done more with the talent that he had IMO . I am not gonna lie, i was very upset when Sampson left for Indiana, do you think he would come back to OU? I really hate to say it, but i wished he would. I never will forget the 2002 season. That was mym favorite season, I remember the 1988 season but I was only 9 years old.
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Easy Boomer...Capel and "very good basketball coach" do not belong in the same sentence. He may be a "very good basketball coach" at some point, but right now he's mediocre at best.

I'm not even sure he's a great recruiter...too many Kyle Cannon, Orlando Allen, Ray Willis, Tony Neysmith, Chris Early, Kyle Hardrick, etc., type recruits to just give him credit for the Blake Griffin's. I'm also not sold on WW, TMG, or Tiny, although TMG is selling me more everyday.

Truthfully, Cade Davis is his 2nd best recruit behind BG at this point, and that doesn't bode well for Capel.
 
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