Bruce Weber set a great foundation

What are KSU's expectation as a program? Didn't Lon take them to an elite eight many moons ago... And not sure how far they got with that Michael Beasley guy that one year. I saw their overall record with us and I was very surprised how close they were to us...

I think their expectations as a program are what Frank Martin accomplished combined with what Bruce Weber did with Frank Martin's players. Anything beyond that may be wishful thinking. I understand their tradition with Tex Winter, Jack Hartman and some guy named Kruger, but that was all prior to Bill Snyder putting KSU on the football map. After he did that, they became more of a football school. That may revert back once Snyder retires, but he is still the king of that university.
 
KSU has a very underrated tradition nationally.....with Tex Winter (2 final fours, 2 elite eights), Jack Hartman (looking it up had 4 elite eights). Rolando Blackmon, a KSU great from that era off that top of my head. having Kansas in-state doesn't help national or regional perception.

Lon made the Elite 8 in 1988 with Mitch Richmond (losing to eventual champ KU in a year we are all familiar with). in his 3rd season, Frank Martin made the Elite 8 in 2009-2010 but Beasley was one and done in FM's first year.....so MB wasn't on that team.

i never thought Weber was great at Illinois but he's hung on longer than i thought he would at KSU.

Ed Neely too. That was back when they wore the 2-tone purple uni's.
 
yeah, ksu knows who pays the bills now...fball and snyder. Not sure they'll get a "great coach" because of that. Although there are some schools where both bball and fball are big. It usually isn't yearly...funny isn't it.

Amazing OU was the first to have the football team and basketball team play in the "final 4".

Anyways, some radio word up here is they don't think weber can survive if no tourney this year. His past record for "his own players" isn't great.
 
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