Can We Have the Same Officials for OU-KU?

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Both OU and ISU were whistled for 12 fouls...the officiating had no impact whatsoever on the outcome of this game. No one was sitting on the bench with foul trouble; the flow of the game was not impacted by ticky-tack calls, etc. Fran made it a point to mention how good the officiating was.

I'm too much of a realist to think we'll get similar officiating Monday night, but even false hope is better than no hope at all ;)
 
Both OU and ISU were whistled for 12 fouls...the officiating had no impact whatsoever on the outcome of this game. No one was sitting on the bench with foul trouble; the flow of the game was not impacted by ticky-tack calls, etc. Fran made it a point to mention how good the officiating was.

I'm too much of a realist to think we'll get similar officiating Monday night, but even false hope is better than no hope at all ;)
It was a very clean game overall
 
We'll probably have to ask KU for permission. They own the refs I believe.
 
We're often assured the home team gets the calls, but it wasn't the case today. I'm not complaining -- it was a well-officiated game overall -- but we got no breaks for playing at LNC. I did think our fouls tended to be of the touch variety, while they were allowed to play very physical defense in the paint, but as has been stated, it evened out.
 
It could be the same guys but it wouldn't stop them from getting a phog in their throat
 
This is the way basketball is supposed to be officiated. No home cooking just straight up fair and balanced officiating.
 
This is the way basketball is supposed to be officiated. No home cooking just straight up fair and balanced officiating.

I agree in theory, but dang it, it was our turn for some home cooking!

If it's called as evenly in our road games, I'll be fine with it, but my guess is it won't be.
 
We're often assured the home team gets the calls, but it wasn't the case today. I'm not complaining -- it was a well-officiated game overall -- but we got no breaks for playing at LNC. I did think our fouls tended to be of the touch variety, while they were allowed to play very physical defense in the paint, but as has been stated, it evened out.

I disagree. We got a couple of breaks. I can't point to any specifically right now, but there were a few calls that went our way that probably won't Monday night. It's just a fact of being at home vs being on the road.
 
And there were a few that went ISU's way. That's not home cooking.

Home cooking is South Carolina shooting 63 free throws tonight to Memphis's 36 (SC won by 10). Home cooking is KSU shooting 36 free throws to our 17 last year in Manhattan and winning the game by 3.

When your team shoots 2 more free throws than the visiting team and you're both whistled for 12 fouls, that's not home cooking.
 
I definitely understand skyvue's point. The home team is usually good for one or two extra calls to go their way, and this was about as evenly officiated game as you will see. My points to this thread were that: 1) the refs were fair to both teams, 2) they didn't impact the outcome of the game with constant whistle-blowing, and 3) most importantly, see #1 for my Monday night wish.
 
Over and under on number of free throws ku shoots 35
Over and under on number of free throws we shoot 20
Over and under on number of sooners that foul out 1 1/2

And I'd take over under and over
 
OU will rarely shoot a ton of free throws based off the way they play on the offensive end.
 
The referees are assigned before the season starts. Many of the top referees have a primary conference like the Big 12, but once they get their schedule from their primary conference, they fill in games with other conferences. The Power 5 conferences pay a referee as much as $2,500 - $3,000 per game but they pay expenses out of that. Others pay less than that but pay expenses separately. Some NCAA referees make it their full-time job.

Ironically, they don't get paid as much for the NCAA tournament games but its an honor to be selected for those games (I think they pick 100 referees for the tournament). In 2013 they were paid $1,200/game for the first weekend, $1,400/game for the second weekend, and $2000/game for the Final Four weekend plus expenses. It's probably more now. It's not unusual for a top referee to call 4-5 nights/week but most of the ones I know didn't call nearly that much because they had other jobs.

They've all worked their way up the ranks from high school games. In fact, a lot of really good high school refs have jobs that don't allow them to travel so they don't call NCAA games. I've called games with referees who are doctors, lawyers, judges, etc. My friend that got me involved in Houston refereeing was a senior VP at a major oil company.

Referees go thru lots of training. Continually. I can remember going to refereeing clinics during the summers and paying money for the right to call AAU games. You would be assigned 2-3 games/day and they have very experienced referees evaluating the officials at every game. You get pulled aside afterwards and they critique your calls. It included things like how clearly you report a violation to the scorers table, or your position on the court, or communication with the coaches. I've spent 15-30 minutes getting critiqued after a game a lot of time, maybe called 6-8 games and paid several hundred dollars to attend a clinic. It was almost a requirement that if you wanted to call varsity games, you had to attend an off-season clinic.

Anyway back to the Big 12 refs for the KU game. They don't usually assign "crews" but we might get one of the referees from the ISU game on Saturday, and 2 different ones. There are only about 1000 NCAA referees and the Power 5 conferences like the Big 12 take the cream of the crop from that group.

It was mentioned that they only called 12 fouls on each team on Saturday. 24 fouls is low and some of those were to put a shooter on the line at the end of the game. I would say 35 fouls is a pretty good average. Believe me, the Big 12 supervisor of officials know how many fouls each referee usually calls and what the coaches think of them.
 
My only problem with the statement is that the lack of fouls can often be an advantage to one team as well. Play Mich. St. with refs who don't blow the whistle and you may get hurt and they will beat you.
 
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