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MsProudSooner
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I agree, but most voters won't give it much thought and will just vote for whoever wins the conference.
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If we finish in the top 3 in the league and maybe knock KU off in Norman (no easy task), Kruger has to be COY
Yep. You can probably already write in Self and Sulkey Mulkey as Big 12 men's and women's COY. Sad!
I think you have to consider Kruger and Hoiberg right now. Iowa State was picked to finish 8th and we were picked to finish 7th by the coaches. If either finishes in the top 4, or both, the higher one will more than likely get COY.
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When Kruger sweeps ISU the Mayor will be eliminated. Go ahead and be positive. It can't hurt.
:ez-laugh: My sentiments exactly, Denver.
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Kstate coach has a chance too. Need to win in Norman there.
It's still way, way too early, but there are 4 candidates at the moment: Kruger, Self, Hoiberg and Weber. If Kansas can go 16-2 or better, why shouldn't Self be a candidate? This isn't Kentucky which always has a half dozen NBA players on its roster. I see two from Kansas, so if they run the table or clome close, Self deserves consideration. Both The Mayor and Kruger were picked in the bottom half so they are candidates. Finally, Weber is doing what he always does - win big with another coach's players.
I see 3 KU players likely to go in this year's NBA draft and probably at least one or two more that will be drafted in the future.
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The guy from Edmond can coach. He is extremely consistant and is knocking off well over 25 wins a season at KU. KU will probably win 30 or more this season. In some respects coach of the year is unfair to Self because he is expected to win 25 games a year.
Okay, let me put it another way. How many Kansas players in the Bill Self era are above average NBA players? I can't think of one. Yet all Self does is win the darn conference every freakin' year. I realize his talent level is still slightly more than everybody else's, but not to the point where his teams are practically unbeatable in conference play. The guy is simply a great coach...and let's all hope he continues to have zero interest in coaching his alma mater.
There aren't a ton of superstars in the NBA from Kansas, but Kansas has 14 players on NBA rosters. The entire Big 12 has 40 current NBA players. So Kansas has 35% of NBA players from the Big 12. It's not surprising they win the conference every year.
Kentucky, Duke, and UNC are the only schools in the nation with more. And in Self's time at KU, all 3 of those schools have won the National Championship the same number of times, or more times than Kansas has.
I'm not saying Self isn't a good coach - he clearly is. But there are a lot of coaches that could have sustained success at Kansas.
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Just for arguments sake lets say what he has done at KU could be done by many people. Lets say 50% of the BCS coaches could do it so it is really nothing special.
Now lets look at what he did before he got to KU. ORU won 5 games the year before they hired Self. He won 6, then 10, then 18 and finally 21 games. This led to the Tulsa job. At Tulsa he went 74-27 and took them to the Elite 8. That led to the Illinois job. Again he did a good job taking Illinois to an Elite 8. He inherited a good program and left a good program, arguably even better than he inherited from Lon Kruger.
Self is a very good coach. If he chooses to coach until he is 65, I think he will break the all time win record. He is averaging 29.88 wins a year at KU (if my math is correct) and will almost certainly win 30 or more this season.
Lon Kruger is my favorite basketball. My second and third favorite coaches are Billy Tubbs and Kelvin Sampson. I don't particularly care about Self one way or another but the guy is a darn good coach.
I said he's definitely a good coach. There's no arguing that. And when I said "a lot of coaches could have sustained success at Kansas," I didn't mean 50% of coaches. But there are probably about 20 or so active coaches right now who could win 25+ games a year at KU.
WaymanFan seemed to be implying that there's not that big a talent gap between KU and the rest of the Big 12. But the fact is, there's a huge one. He certainly makes that talent better, but he starts in a much better position than every other coach in the conference.
WaymanFan seemed to be implying that there's not that big a talent gap between KU and the rest of the Big 12. But the fact is, there's a huge one. He certainly makes that talent better, but he starts in a much better position than every other coach in the conference.
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Recruiting is part of his job. It hardly seems fair to fault the good coaches for getting good players.
Even if we assume 20 guys could win 25+ how many could win 29+ because that is what Self is doing. I hate KU. If they lost every game for 10 years and cancelled basketball, I might have a party but Self is a very good coach. He is one of the best in the business and probably the best middle aged coach in the business.
