Cy Woods

Sometimes, there appears to be a lack of vision. If you simply recruit players who look good in a playground game, you may not even have the pieces of a team. Some of my favorite players were not the "stars" of a team, but the team was not all that good without them. Anyone remember these names: Steve Patterson, Wes Unseld, Paul Hogue, Clifford Ray, Quannas White? Each was on a winning team that had superstars on it, but each was absolutely necessary to the fit of the team.

I'm not looking for Nancy to come in and be a one-on-one star, or another Courtney Paris. I want her to play a particular role, one that she may be able to do as effectively as anyone in history. Whether by intent or accident, she played a similar role on the title team last year. With Vivi, Maddie, Peyton, Gioya, Gabbi, Chelsea, Morgan, Gileysa, and Ana here at least one year if not more with her, I think she can play that role quite effectively. If it fits right, it is a national title contender, and it would not be without Nancy playing that role.
 
Sometimes, there appears to be a lack of vision. If you simply recruit players who look good in a playground game, you may not even have the pieces of a team. Some of my favorite players were not the "stars" of a team, but the team was not all that good without them. Anyone remember these names: Steve Patterson, Wes Unseld, Paul Hogue, Clifford Ray, Quannas White? Each was on a winning team that had superstars on it, but each was absolutely necessary to the fit of the team.

I'm not looking for Nancy to come in and be a one-on-one star, or another Courtney Paris. I want her to play a particular role, one that she may be able to do as effectively as anyone in history. Whether by intent or accident, she played a similar role on the title team last year. With Vivi, Maddie, Peyton, Gioya, Gabbi, Chelsea, Morgan, Gileysa, and Ana here at least one year if not more with her, I think she can play that role quite effectively. If it fits right, it is a national title contender, and it would not be without Nancy playing that role.

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Sometimes, there appears to be a lack of vision. If you simply recruit players who look good in a playground game, you may not even have the pieces of a team. Some of my favorite players were not the "stars" of a team, but the team was not all that good without them. Anyone remember these names: Steve Patterson, Wes Unseld, Paul Hogue, Clifford Ray, Quannas White? Each was on a winning team that had superstars on it, but each was absolutely necessary to the fit of the team.

I'm not looking for Nancy to come in and be a one-on-one star, or another Courtney Paris. I want her to play a particular role, one that she may be able to do as effectively as anyone in history. Whether by intent or accident, she played a similar role on the title team last year. With Vivi, Maddie, Peyton, Gioya, Gabbi, Chelsea, Morgan, Gileysa, and Ana here at least one year if not more with her, I think she can play that role quite effectively. If it fits right, it is a national title contender, and it would not be without Nancy playing that role.

Mulkey is not the savior and she is not the role player that will take this OU team to being a national title contender. I am sorry but if that is the expectation, it is off the charts wrong. I think she will be a good player but not one that shifts OU to the level of UConn, South Carolina, or Baylor. There are two problems, the first is that she is not big and strong enough to not get pushed off the block at this point. The second is that even if she gets position, OU is #189 in the country in turnovers. Sherri's team unfortunately is one of the most inconsistent teams around. You never know what you are going to get which is why they are 5-5 in the last ten and barely beat winless KU yesterday. When Lew Alcindor (Kareem) went to UCLA, they were great but you must remember that they won the title before he got there and after he left. Right now, OU is as far from a national title as they have been since the 1990's.

I don't know how many balls that I saw OU pass to Nicole Griffin when she was here that were between the ankles and knees that she could not handle. Courtney Paris was a different thing because she had great hands and nobody could push her out of the lane. Yes, she won the state title with a good cast but its a long way from playing D-1 with teams like Baylor and UConn. Without the supporting cast, she could not carry the show in HS. At 6'9", you would expect that she would completely dominate the HS ranks. I would expect any of the national Top 100 players to completely dominate in HS much less those in the Top 20 or Burger All Americans.
 
I agree Speedy, except that I expect Mulky's hands to be somewhat better than Griffin's.
 
Mulkey is not the savior and she is not the role player that will take this OU team to being a national title contender. I am sorry but if that is the expectation, it is off the charts wrong. I think she will be a good player but not one that shifts OU to the level of UConn, South Carolina, or Baylor. There are two problems, the first is that she is not big and strong enough to not get pushed off the block at this point. The second is that even if she gets position, OU is #189 in the country in turnovers. Sherri's team unfortunately is one of the most inconsistent teams around. You never know what you are going to get which is why they are 5-5 in the last ten and barely beat winless KU yesterday. When Lew Alcindor (Kareem) went to UCLA, they were great but you must remember that they won the title before he got there and after he left. Right now, OU is as far from a national title as they have been since the 1990's.

I don't know how many balls that I saw OU pass to Nicole Griffin when she was here that were between the ankles and knees that she could not handle. Courtney Paris was a different thing because she had great hands and nobody could push her out of the lane. Yes, she won the state title with a good cast but its a long way from playing D-1 with teams like Baylor and UConn. Without the supporting cast, she could not carry the show in HS. At 6'9", you would expect that she would completely dominate the HS ranks. I would expect any of the national Top 100 players to completely dominate in HS much less those in the Top 20 or Burger All Americans.

Well. I value your softball expertise.

I'm not sure where you get the #189 ranking in turnovers since they NCAA now reports A/T ratio (#123) and turnover margin (#95) which are somewhat misleading because OU is #2 in the conference in turnover margin with both Baylor and Texas ranked behind us. What does that have to do with Mulkey? I'm also not sure what Alcindor has to do with Nancy or OU.

Fact: unlike most tall girls, Nancy has good hands and can shoot. Leverage will always be somewhat of a problem since her center of gravity is high. But, she is stronger than she looks. But, the key is whether she has the attributes to block and alter shots. She does that with alacrity which is why some scouts wonder why more isn't made about what she can do. She isn't going to dominate physically in the same way that Courtney did, nor is that the intent. The intent is to alter shots, and she will be a lot better at it than say, Boyette because she has more length and is more precise with her hands. At 6-9, she is a threat with her hands straight up.

That "good cast" that she had last year was outscored in both the semi-finals and finals in the minutes that Nancy was not on the court. They had a lot of numbers, but not a lot of impact.
 
Mulkey is not the savior and she is not the role player that will take this OU team to being a national title contender. I am sorry but if that is the expectation, it is off the charts wrong. I think she will be a good player but not one that shifts OU to the level of UConn, South Carolina, or Baylor. There are two problems, the first is that she is not big and strong enough to not get pushed off the block at this point. The second is that even if she gets position, OU is #189 in the country in turnovers. Sherri's team unfortunately is one of the most inconsistent teams around. You never know what you are going to get which is why they are 5-5 in the last ten and barely beat winless KU yesterday. When Lew Alcindor (Kareem) went to UCLA, they were great but you must remember that they won the title before he got there and after he left. Right now, OU is as far from a national title as they have been since the 1990's.

I don't know how many balls that I saw OU pass to Nicole Griffin when she was here that were between the ankles and knees that she could not handle. Courtney Paris was a different thing because she had great hands and nobody could push her out of the lane. Yes, she won the state title with a good cast but its a long way from playing D-1 with teams like Baylor and UConn. Without the supporting cast, she could not carry the show in HS. At 6'9", you would expect that she would completely dominate the HS ranks. I would expect any of the national Top 100 players to completely dominate in HS much less those in the Top 20 or Burger All Americans.

Great post! When you look at her stats, she averages 11 points, 7 rebounds, and 4 blocks. Statistically, Nicole Griffin was better when she was in high school. In terms of strength they are very similar. Both are finesse players. Nancy can shoot better out to 15 feet but we need her in the middle controlling the boards and getting easy buckets. We don't need a finesse player inside which means she isn't going to help much unless she becomes a dominant scorer, rebounder and defender. Four blocks in high school for a player who is 6'9" among girls who are generally 6'2" or below is not that much. We need for her to be more like Brittany Griner rather than Nicole Griffin. Mulkey has the frame to score 18 points per game and grab 12 boards. But she must do a lot of work before she will ever reach that potential. With ViVi returning it will be interesting to see how many minutes Nancy gets her freshman year.

Next year we will have some good players in ViVi, Peyton, Gioya, and Maddie. We must have some great players. I don't see any on next year's roster.
 
I think Nancy has a couple of things going for her. As I recall, both her parents were D1 players, so she should be well-schooled in what is expected of her. Right or wrong, she is the highest ranked center we've ever had not named Courtney Paris.

She won't be the "savior of the program", but she will present some significant problems for any opposing team. She will need to bulk up, and learn more physical play, but based on recent results, we're pretty good developing post players.
 
If you admit that Nancy (HoopGurlz, #12, Prospect Nation #17, McDonald's All-American) is a good recruit, does that mean that you have to admit that Sherri isn't the horrible recruiter that some have portrayed her as being?
 
Well. I value your softball expertise.

I'm not sure where you get the #189 ranking in turnovers since they NCAA now reports A/T ratio (#123) and turnover margin (#95) which are somewhat misleading because OU is #2 in the conference in turnover margin with both Baylor and Texas ranked behind us. What does that have to do with Mulkey? I'm also not sure what Alcindor has to do with Nancy or OU.

Fact: unlike most tall girls, Nancy has good hands and can shoot. Leverage will always be somewhat of a problem since her center of gravity is high. But, she is stronger than she looks. But, the key is whether she has the attributes to block and alter shots. She does that with alacrity which is why some scouts wonder why more isn't made about what she can do. She isn't going to dominate physically in the same way that Courtney did, nor is that the intent. The intent is to alter shots, and she will be a lot better at it than say, Boyette because she has more length and is more precise with her hands. At 6-9, she is a threat with her hands straight up.

That "good cast" that she had last year was outscored in both the semi-finals and finals in the minutes that Nancy was not on the court. They had a lot of numbers, but not a lot of impact.

You could not be anymore wrong than this. Last year this same exact team lost to Cy woods 81-19 this year they beat Cy woods by damn near double digits. You have no idea who or what Nancy is.....so please stop ACTING like you do. I speak to all of these scouting services and none have said what you say they are saying. They actually say the exact opposite and wonder how she will adapt to the college level. This team that they played tallest girl was six foot and Nancy had 3 rebounds. You have no idea but you will soon learn is all I can say.
 
You could not be anymore wrong than this. Last year this same exact team lost to Cy woods 81-19 this year they beat Cy woods by damn near double digits. You have no idea who or what Nancy is.....so please stop ACTING like you do. I speak to all of these scouting services and none have said what you say they are saying. They actually say the exact opposite and wonder how she will adapt to the college level. This team that they played tallest girl was six foot and Nancy had 3 rebounds. You have no idea but you will soon learn is all I can say.

You are the most prejudiced XXX that ever pretended to be a scout. You actually presented links to commentary by other "Scouts," one of which is only a few posts above, that praised Nancy. Yet, you have dismissed her with every post since your very first. I don't run around pretending that I heard what the crowd said about her. I don't care what the crowd---or you---thinks of her. I have watched two complete games in a known situation to see how she operates within the framework of a team. I saw exactly what happened in both of those games. Do you not think we could see the TV? They were televised.

I have also seen Nancy in a couple of AAU and international games. Frankly, that doesn't interest me as much. Now, I suggest that you quit trying to pretend that you were some objective scout. You negated that in your first post on this board.
 
http://www.bluestarmedia.org/tip-off-in-texas/

Link provided on another thread by skillserv.

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Like Johnson, we’ve watched 6-9 Nancy Mulkey from way back and have enjoyed seeing the tremendous strides and progress in her game. Bound for Oklahoma and Coach Sherri Coale, Mulkey, from Cypress Woods, has absolutely come into her own over the past two years and improvements at the same pace will have her destined for special things. Because she’s never been considered anything but a low post player, she’s been able to focus and hone the building blocks and skill set that are going to allow her to find out just how far she can take her game. The confidence she plays with now allows her to look for and create her own shots rather than just take the ones that come her way. The jump hook is indefensible and with consistency will be a signature weapon. She shoots with comfort on the perimeter but is judicious in her shot selection. Thursday she appeared to be dealing with back issues and was limited but still offered up some strong moments including some sharp passing from the high post. The defensive end speaks for itself and should showcase her ability to make an impact.

Skilledserv has posted several links like this which are supportive of Nancy. This link was his support of DiDi Richards. Of course, some might read further to notice that it addresses other people, as do many such posts.
 
http://www.bluestarmedia.org/tip-off-in-texas/

Link provided on another thread by skillserv.



Skilledserv has posted several links like this which are supportive of Nancy. This link was his support of DiDi Richards. Of course, some might read further to notice that it addresses other people, as do many such posts.

What is your point? I've seen all these kids play and it was more than 2 games.
 
Mulkey is not the savior and she is not the role player that will take this OU team to being a national title contender. I am sorry but if that is the expectation, it is off the charts wrong. I think she will be a good player but not one that shifts OU to the level of UConn, South Carolina, or Baylor. There are two problems, the first is that she is not big and strong enough to not get pushed off the block at this point. The second is that even if she gets position, OU is #189 in the country in turnovers. Sherri's team unfortunately is one of the most inconsistent teams around. You never know what you are going to get which is why they are 5-5 in the last ten and barely beat winless KU yesterday. When Lew Alcindor (Kareem) went to UCLA, they were great but you must remember that they won the title before he got there and after he left. Right now, OU is as far from a national title as they have been since the 1990's.

I don't know how many balls that I saw OU pass to Nicole Griffin when she was here that were between the ankles and knees that she could not handle. Courtney Paris was a different thing because she had great hands and nobody could push her out of the lane. Yes, she won the state title with a good cast but its a long way from playing D-1 with teams like Baylor and UConn. Without the supporting cast, she could not carry the show in HS. At 6'9", you would expect that she would completely dominate the HS ranks. I would expect any of the national Top 100 players to completely dominate in HS much less those in the Top 20 or Burger All Americans.

You are losing all credibility by saying UConn and Baylor are even in the vicinity of the same level. Let's limit it the past few years - no reason to go back 8 or 10 since that's ancient history now. So in the past 3 years how many National Championships has UConn won? How many has BU won? They are not at the same level. Not even close. Not even in the same universe.
 
You could not be anymore wrong than this. Last year this same exact team lost to Cy woods 81-19 this year they beat Cy woods by damn near double digits. You have no idea who or what Nancy is.....so please stop ACTING like you do. I speak to all of these scouting services and none have said what you say they are saying. They actually say the exact opposite and wonder how she will adapt to the college level. This team that they played tallest girl was six foot and Nancy had 3 rebounds. You have no idea but you will soon learn is all I can say.

Be intelligent SS. You have no idea how Nancy will play in college. These role players that have surrounded Nancy in HS have not produced anything special in college. Had they been what you say, they would have been highly recruited and they would have dominated the college basketball world by now. She could have taken her sister with her to UConn or Notre Dame. We would be reading about them instead on Stewart. Perhaps you notice that has not happened. Has Ogumike gotten mention on any kind of AA teams - or as a likely POY? Yeah, I didn't think so.

Not sure what your game is, but it comes across as strange.
 
Be intelligent SS. You have no idea how Nancy will play in college. These role players that have surrounded Nancy in HS have not produced anything special in college. Had they been what you say, they would have been highly recruited and they would have dominated the college basketball world by now. She could have taken her sister with her to UConn or Notre Dame. We would be reading about them instead on Stewart. Perhaps you notice that has not happened. Has Ogumike gotten mention on any kind of AA teams - or as a likely POY? Yeah, I didn't think so.

Not sure what your game is, but it comes across as strange.

Not a game.....its just facts. Lose 2 kids and here's the difference it made.
http://m.chron.com/sports/highschool/article/Tompkins-exacts-revenge-against-Cy-Woods-6843869.php
 
You are losing all credibility by saying UConn and Baylor are even in the vicinity of the same level. Let's limit it the past few years - no reason to go back 8 or 10 since that's ancient history now. So in the past 3 years how many National Championships has UConn won? How many has BU won? They are not at the same level. Not even close. Not even in the same universe.

Baylor and South Carolina are both currently in the Top 4. They are Final Four contenders as is Notre Dame. OU is no where near a Final Four contender nor will they be by adding Mulkey. That is my point - OU is not a role player away from the Final Four. I noticed you stopped at 3 years because Baylor won the title in 2012. Note I can't stand Kim Mulkey and Baylor but to say they aren't national contenders is way out there.
 
Well. I value your softball expertise.

I'm not sure where you get the #189 ranking in turnovers since they NCAA now reports A/T ratio (#123) and turnover margin (#95) which are somewhat misleading because OU is #2 in the conference in turnover margin with both Baylor and Texas ranked behind us. What does that have to do with Mulkey? I'm also not sure what Alcindor has to do with Nancy or OU.

Fact: unlike most tall girls, Nancy has good hands and can shoot. Leverage will always be somewhat of a problem since her center of gravity is high. But, she is stronger than she looks. But, the key is whether she has the attributes to block and alter shots. She does that with alacrity which is why some scouts wonder why more isn't made about what she can do. She isn't going to dominate physically in the same way that Courtney did, nor is that the intent. The intent is to alter shots, and she will be a lot better at it than say, Boyette because she has more length and is more precise with her hands. At 6-9, she is a threat with her hands straight up.

That "good cast" that she had last year was outscored in both the semi-finals and finals in the minutes that Nancy was not on the court. They had a lot of numbers, but not a lot of impact.

Syb,

All I am saying is that Nancy is not the superstar recruit who is going to change everything. OU does not offer the supporting cast to take it to the next level. As for the turnover data, it is available on ncaa.com . OU is still turnover prone and barely got by KU. Even Sherri talks about their inconsistency.
 
I'm beginning to think that Nancy Mulkey must have run over skilledserv's dog. Or did it have something to do with the Senior Prom? :)

It's not that I necessarily disagree with every statement he posts. He's likely much more knowledgeable about women's hoops than I'll ever be. But it's obvious he is an avowed hater of both Nancy and OU basketball, since almost all of his posts are attacks on one or both. I wish he would re-examine his posting M.O., and if he's unwilling to do so, I wish the board would do the right thing and ban this troll from the board permanently.
 
I'm beginning to think that Nancy Mulkey must have run over skilledserv's dog. Or did it have something to do with the Senior Prom? :)

It's not that I necessarily disagree with every statement he posts. He's likely much more knowledgeable about women's hoops than I'll ever be. But it's obvious he is an avowed hater of both Nancy and OU basketball, since almost all of his posts are attacks on one or both. I wish he would re-examine his posting M.O., and if he's unwilling to do so, I wish the board would do the right thing and ban this troll from the board permanently.
 
I'm beginning to think that Nancy Mulkey must have run over skilledserv's dog. Or did it have something to do with the Senior Prom? :)

It's not that I necessarily disagree with every statement he posts. He's likely much more knowledgeable about women's hoops than I'll ever be. But it's obvious he is an avowed hater of both Nancy and OU basketball, since almost all of his posts are attacks on one or both. I wish he would re-examine his posting M.O., and if he's unwilling to do so, I wish the board would do the right thing and ban this troll from the board permanently.

Highly unlikely! I'm one that doesn't think it's an accident he/she suddenly starts posting here last Oct.
 
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