I'm not really sure what Kelvin has to do with anything I posted. He was gone. We had a vacancy. We were in serious trouble with the NCAA. The last thing Joe C was going to do was hire a coach with a big time history of NCAA compliance problems at that time. That's like begging for the death penalty. Not to mention, OU at that time was significantly expanding its compliance department and turning it over to the university, rather than the athletic department. There's no way those guys or Boren would have approved hiring Tim Floyd at that point.