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bocabull said:
Stoops is just OUs version of Phil Fulmer. He is a total wanna be icon whose only claim to fame is beating underachieving clone Mack Brown.
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As usual, you couldn't be more wrong. Stoops is outstanding and your guy Jeff Capel was an overrated punk. Of course, Capel is a #3 assistant and that is where he belongs.
 
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WaymanFan said:
Yes, that is putting things into perspective. "Humiliating" is subjective, but I was simply identifying the word in its context to football games, not real life.

Also, stoopsforprez is correct. The 2007 Colorado game should not count. I stand corrected on that one. The other 5, though, I'm keeping.

Skyvue, you mentioned the 1983 Kansas game. I'm assuming you meant 1984, and I certainly thought about that one. However, that 1984 team with all those freshmen had to slip up somewhere. And with a 17 year old quarterback no one ever heard from again (I jest) starting in place of Danny Bradley, I wouldn't call that embarassing...just frustrating like the 2007 Colorado game.
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I agree with you on the other ones you listed. And it's painful thinking about those debacles.
 
stoops4pres said:
I agree with you on the other ones you listed. And it's painful thinking about those debacles.
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But what coaches don't have bad losses like that? It simply happens. We see it all the time in basketball as well. Since Stoops has been at OU, there are only 2-3 programs that have arguably done more, and that based solely on the fact that they've won more NC's. Bama. LSU. Florida. Not another team in the country has been better over those 12+ years.
 
I always find it hilarious how people expect undefeated seasons or 11-1 records every year. It's not that easy. Teams play up and down all the time. This isn't high school where the team with the dominant athletes usually wins...everyone has good players.
 
WTSooner said:
But what coaches don't have bad losses like that? It simply happens. We see it all the time in basketball as well. Since Stoops has been at OU, there are only 2-3 programs that have arguably done more, and that based solely on the fact that they've won more NC's. Bama. LSU. Florida. Not another team in the country has been better over those 12+ years.
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I agree. A few of those disappointing outcomes are bound to happen when a coach has been at a program for nearly 15 seasons.
 
OU's program is at a level where they are the favorite about 95 percent of the time and so if Stoops doesn't win 95 percent of the games, it's a catastrophe.

Other teams give scholarships as well and have good coaches.
 
Icon = Barry Switzer 157-29-4 (84.41%), 3 National Championships a few plays away from 5.

Wanna Be Icon = Bob Stoops 139-34 (80.35%), 1 National Championship a BCS formula away from 0.

That's the data set. While 84.41% to 80.35% may seem close it's not. Bob needs to win his next 45 games to match Barry as well as pick up a couple National Championships along the way. Neither will happen. I'm expecting Bob to be gone within 5 years. Maybe sooner.
 
bocabull said:
Icon = Barry Switzer 157-29-4 (84.41%), 3 National Championships a few plays away from 5.

Wanna Be Icon = Bob Stoops 139-34 (80.35%), 1 National Championship a BCS formula away from 0.

That's the data set. While 84.41% to 80.35% may seem close it's not. Bob needs to win his next 45 games to match Barry as well as pick up a couple National Championships along the way. Neither will happen. I'm expecting Bob to be gone within 5 years. Maybe sooner.
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Wow, what a bold prediction! The twins are about 12 now, so in 5 years they will be about to graduate from high school. That's always a good time for someone who can do whatever they want to make a career change or take early retirement.

You are so full of it.....
 
bocabull said:
Icon = Barry Switzer 157-29-4 (84.41%), 3 National Championships a few plays away from 5.

Wanna Be Icon = Bob Stoops 139-34 (80.35%), 1 National Championship a BCS formula away from 0.

That's the data set. While 84.41% to 80.35% may seem close it's not. Bob needs to win his next 45 games to match Barry as well as pick up a couple National Championships along the way. Neither will happen. I'm expecting Bob to be gone within 5 years. Maybe sooner.
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You should stick to stocks. You do yourself no favors when you TRY to talk about football and basketball
 
bocabull said:
Icon = Barry Switzer 157-29-4 (84.41%), 3 National Championships a few plays away from 5.

Wanna Be Icon = Bob Stoops 139-34 (80.35%), 1 National Championship a BCS formula away from 0.
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C'mon Boca. Me and a few others already gave you those embarrassing (the "Ms." has already retrained my thinking :) ) losses, but this is a bit tainted, don't you think? "A few plays away from 5?" Really? I thought Washington and Miami both proved to be better than OU, especially the latter (acknowledged by Barry himself). I never thought we were in a position to beat Miami, and we lost by two scores to Washington. I would argue the LSU game in '03 was the closest loss we had in a title game.

However, the worst part of your post was to try to taint Bob's title in 2000. That's what is drawing the ire of the other posters, and rightfully so. That was a very special team that beat an outstanding KSU team twice, the #1 team at the time (Nebraska), and pretty good Texas and Texas A&M teams. Finally, we beat a double-digit favorite in the title game. As much as I loved the King, he never beat that many good teams in one year, even though his 1974 team was the best in my lifetime.
 
Max Power said:
Another thing lost in all this is that the rules for National Champions were different for Switzer and Wilkenson. Based on those rules, Stoops would have 4. Bowl Games didn't matter, there were no conference championship games, it was an arbitrary system.
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This is not accurate. Bowl games absolutely mattered during the Switzer era. However, conferences were tied to specific bowls. The Big 8 played in the Orange Bowl, the SEC played in the Sugar Bowl, The Big Ten and Pac Ten played in the Rose Bowl. If Alabama and OU were undefeated they would not play in a Bowl game because OU would have gone to the Orange Bowl and Alabama would have gone to the Sugar Bowl. As a result, the top two teams often avoided each other.

Had Bowl games not mattered in the Switzer era, OU would not have won a championship in 1985. The bowl season started with Penn State ranked No. 1 and Miami No. 2. Tennessee beat Miami then OU beat Penn State.
 
I believe it is much harder today to win games than it was in previous era's, which would explain why bob's winning percentage doesnt stack up.
 
luckyc1423 said:
I believe it is much harder today to win games than it was in previous era's, which would explain why bob's winning percentage doesnt stack up.
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Yep. Much more parity in today's game.
 
You guys need to stop biting on boca's trolling. It's just not worth it.
 
luckyc1423 said:
I believe it is much harder today to win games than it was in previous era's, which would explain why bob's winning percentage doesnt stack up.
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Totally correct and it's not even close! This doesn't take anything away from Bud and Barry but with scholarship limitations, recruiting limitations, etc. it's much more difficult today versus 50's, 60's, 70's and 80's.
 
bocabull said:
C'mon bok, it's the off season. Anyway, as the years go by my lack of faith in Stoops continues to gain validation.
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Then do a better job of trolling. Show how much worse Stoops has been since his brother left. Bob can't win an NC without Mike.
 
bocabull said:
Icon = Barry Switzer 157-29-4 (84.41%), 3 National Championships a few plays away from 5.

Wanna Be Icon = Bob Stoops 139-34 (80.35%), 1 National Championship a BCS formula away from 0.

That's the data set. While 84.41% to 80.35% may seem close it's not. Bob needs to win his next 45 games to match Barry as well as pick up a couple National Championships along the way. Neither will happen. I'm expecting Bob to be gone within 5 years. Maybe sooner.
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the miami team that lost to washington ... grab a clue ...

and stoops is a couple of plays away from 2 or 3 more MNC's ..
 
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