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[WTSooner]

You guys can believe what you want. I agree with Barry Switzer. "It's not the Xs and Os, it the Jimmy's and Joe's". And those Jimmy's and Joe's I listed above are 4 times as talented as OU and that's being kind.

If that were the only thing that mattered, we'd never beat Texas.

 

[skyvue]

Perhaps the NCAA should start waiting ten years to award the national title, basing it on how the players from the top five teams do in the NFL. That seems to be the be-all, end-all for some.

 

[Salt City Sooner]

& yet that team of Thor's & Zeus's had to score a TD with under a minute to go in the 4th quarter on their own field to go ahead of FSU, & even then, they had to sweat out a missed FG by the 'noles after said TD to hold on by their collective fingernails.

Talent is a very nice thing to have. It ain't everything.

 

[playmakr]

Perhaps the NCAA should start waiting ten years to award the national title, basing it on how the players from the top five teams do in the NFL. That seems to be the be-all, end-all for some.

Don't forget, they also have to see how freshmen that are redshirting or sophomores who didn't even play in said year do in the NFL down the line.

 

[stoops4pres]

Stoops, Miami was ranked #2 in both polls, they beat FSU, their loss to Washington was in their first game on the road 4,000 miles from home. Washington later lost. The only thing between Miami from the Orange Bowl was a poorly thought out BCS formula that forgot to take head to head into account and that error was immediately corrected.

You guys can believe what you want. I agree with Barry Switzer. "It's not the Xs and Os, it the Jimmy's and Joe's". And those Jimmy's and Joe's I listed above are 4 times as talented as OU and that's being kind.

So Miami faced adversity having to go a long way from home, and lost. Conversely, OU faced adversity having to face 3 straight Top 10 teams (2 away from home) and won all 3 of them. Besides, as insurmountable of a team you are making Miami out to be, shouldn't they have completely dismantled Washington, instead of losing to them in the first place?

boca, keep in mind that this same Miami team was lucky to escape Florida State AT home in the Orange Bowl... The Hurricanes surrendered over 560 yards, outdone in first downs nearly 2:3, outgained by over 100 yards, and were a whiffed-kick away from having to face a Florida State that had outclassed them in overtime.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/boxscores/2000-10-07-miami-fl.html

That same Florida State team fielded an offense that did not score a single point on OU, and lost convincingly.

Point being, I don't see how anyone can retrospectively claim OU wouldn't have stood a chance against Miami that night, when Miami had already lost a game (something that didn't happen to OU) and were severely outplayed at home vs. Florida State (something that didn't happen to OU). Bottom line, Miami wasn't ever the indisputable challenger in the title game, so they certainly weren't undeniably better than OU. OU earned that title, and proved that throughout the entire season.

 

[stoops4pres]

If that were the only thing that mattered, we'd never beat Texas.

True. From 2000-2010, Texas has had more NFL players then any other college. Also, according to that logic, OU wouldn't have been able to hang with the likes of Cal-Berkley, Tennessee, and/or Michigan throughout the last several years, because they have produced more NFL talent than OU has.

http://benmaller.com/2010/09/texas-longhorns-have-most-nfl-players-in-2010/

Like Salt City stated, talent isn't everything.

 

[cwilson]

Wow, stick to bb guys, statements like that about Stoops shows your fb ignorance.

 

[WaymanFan]

Wow, stick to bb guys, statements like that about Stoops shows your fb ignorance.

"Guys" or "guy"? Who besides one poster is showing their football ignorance? And if there was a thread where there were several posters who didn't have a clue about football, then you would know what we go through. Every February after LOI Signing Day has passed, we get to deal with the football fans. I'm looking forward to this February when someone asks if "Cody Davis" is still with the team.

 

[bocabull]

I cracked up at "the wanna be icon Bob Stoops" line. After all these years and the countless faceplants you have to say that's true.

Boob almost delivered another epic faceplant last night. LOL @ that slow, unorganized, weak team we saw last night being ranked #4 in the nation.

Of course that will change drastically with the next poll. What should our line vs West Virginia be? I'm going with +24. That is going to be as ugly as Okie A&M last year.

 

[WTSooner]

Boob almost delivered another epic faceplant last night. LOL @ that slow, unorganized, weak team we saw last night being ranked #4 in the nation.

Of course that will change drastically with the next poll. What should our line vs West Virginia be? I'm going with +24. That is going to be as ugly as Okie A&M last year.

Feel better?

 

[jerry]

I cracked up at "the wanna be icon Bob Stoops" line. After all these years and the countless faceplants you have to say that's true.

Living in Scottsdale, Vegas does nothing for me. The nicest parts of Vegas pale in comparison.

That is good news for all of us that like Vegas. We won't see you there much.

 

[seniorsooner]

Nice to see the Bob Stoops B1tchfest has even made it over here

 

[DenverSooner]

Boob almost delivered another epic faceplant last night. LOL @ that slow, unorganized, weak team we saw last night being ranked #4 in the nation.

Of course that will change drastically with the next poll. What should our line vs West Virginia be? I'm going with +24. That is going to be as ugly as Okie A&M last year.

Lets bet on the winner of the Big XII? I will take OU. You tell me who wins or give me odds (if you are taking the field) and let me know what you want to bet. You want West Virginia? How about OSU or TCU? Maybe Texas or KSU? Pick your team and lets wager.

 

[Sooner04]

28-11 over Baylor.
62-7 over Oregon.
13-7 over Minnesota.
55-14 over UTEP.


Those are the scores of the openers from our last four NC winning seasons. Wise not to paint with too broad of a brush this early in the season. Landry still makes some REALLY bad throws though.

Good thing is the start of football season means the start of OU BBall is right around the corner!

 

[bocabull]

Lets bet on the winner of the Big XII? I will take OU. You tell me who wins or give me odds (if you are taking the field) and let me know what you want to bet. You want West Virginia? How about OSU or TCU? Maybe Texas or KSU? Pick your team and lets wager.

Even though the conference is horribly weak the team OU trotted out on the field Saturday probably won't win it.

This team has the standard 2-3 losses coming and a total butt whipping at West Virginia. Who cares if that is good enough to win the Big 12?

Stoops gets by on talent to cover for his mediocre coaching but the talent doesn't appear to be there this season so it could get ugly.

 

[WaymanFan]

Even though the conference is horribly weak the team OU trotted out on the field Saturday probably won't win it.

This team has the standard 2-3 losses coming and a total butt whipping at West Virginia. Who cares if that is good enough to win the Big 12?

Stoops gets by on talent to cover for his mediocre coaching but the talent doesn't appear to be there this season so it could get ugly.

The conference is not weak. There are several preseason top 25 teams, and only Kansas is a pushover. Also, did you know that "Boob" (your words) has NEVER gone back-to-back years without winning the conference? With that said, even the biggest sunshine pumper needs to be worried about that front 7 defensively. The linebackers are too small and the tackles appear to be too average. Offensively, the run blocking isn't anything to brag about, either. Still, I won't push the panic button just yet.

 

[DenverSooner]

Even though the conference is horribly weak the team OU trotted out on the field Saturday probably won't win it.

This team has the standard 2-3 losses coming and a total butt whipping at West Virginia. Who cares if that is good enough to win the Big 12?

Stoops gets by on talent to cover for his mediocre coaching but the talent doesn't appear to be there this season so it could get ugly.

How is the conference weak? The Big XII beat 5 FBS schools this weakend which were UTEP, Tulsa, Wyoming, Marshall, and SMU.

the SEC lost two games to FBS Schools this weekend. Alabama had a nice win for the SEC but outside of that game the SEC beat Bowling Green, Buffalo and North Texas. Surely you don't think the Big Ten is better than the Big XII this year? What about the ACC, Big East or Pac Ten?

When this season is done the Big XII will have stack up nicely against everyone, including the SEC.

I think the Big XII has a very realistic chance to go undefeated in nonconference games.

 

[bocabull]

The Big XII possibly does not have a single legit top 10 team.

You guys act like winning the Big XII is like winning an NFL division every other year. The teams are not equal in college. OU & Texas should win the conference virtually every year because nobody else has the resources and talent pool to compete on a level playing field.

There are 15-20 real programs in college football and the rest are schedule fillers without a real chance of success. Go and look at the National Champions and you see the same names over and over. So excuse me if I'm not impressed that OU beats teams with less than 50% of the resources playing with left over talent the top programs passed on.

The only thing you can say about Stoops is that he wins enough of the games vs the inferior teams to keep his job while losing over 50% of the time to the real 15-20 programs out there. So we will be the same Phil Fulmer Tennessee type program until he starts losing on a regular basis to the bottom 80.

 

[RyanMinorFanClub]

The Big XII possibly does not have a single legit top 10 team.

You guys act like winning the Big XII is like winning an NFL division every other year. The teams are not equal in college. OU & Texas should win the conference virtually every year because nobody else has the resources and talent pool to compete on a level playing field.

There are 15-20 real programs in college football and the rest are schedule fillers without a real chance of success. Go and look at the National Champions and you see the same names over and over. So excuse me if I'm not impressed that OU beats teams with less than 50% of the resources playing with left over talent the top programs passed on.

The only thing you can say about Stoops is that he wins enough of the games vs the inferior teams to keep his job while losing over 50% of the time to the real 15-20 programs out there. So we will be the same Phil Fulmer Tennessee type program until he starts losing on a regular basis to the bottom 80.

First I think Stoops has done better than 50% against the real 15-20 programs. He has winning records against Texas, Nebraska, Florida St, Oregon, and Alabama. I would say 98% of the programs would rather have him as a coach. The guy has won over 80% of his games and 80% of his conference games. Only 3 times has OU not had double digit win seasons since he's been coach. Only twice has OU not finished the season ranked under Stoops. And played in 4 NC games.
But heres where I turn this back to basketball.
I have always considered Tom Izzo to be the basketball version of Bob Stoops. If you look at Izzo numbers they parallel Stoops. Overall win % is high as well as conference winning %. Numerous conference championships, regular season and tournament combined. And has been to 5 final 4s with one championship, but below .500 in final four games (3-6) much like Stoops in BCS games at 3-5. But you dont hear people saying how overrated as a coach Izzo is. In fact must of the time he is considered one of the elite coaches in college. I would say 98% of the programs would rather have him as a coach, like Stoops.

 

[jerry]

The Big XII possibly does not have a single legit top 10 team.

You guys act like winning the Big XII is like winning an NFL division every other year. The teams are not equal in college. OU & Texas should win the conference virtually every year because nobody else has the resources and talent pool to compete on a level playing field.

There are 15-20 real programs in college football and the rest are schedule fillers without a real chance of success. Go and look at the National Champions and you see the same names over and over. So excuse me if I'm not impressed that OU beats teams with less than 50% of the resources playing with left over talent the top programs passed on.

The only thing you can say about Stoops is that he wins enough of the games vs the inferior teams to keep his job while losing over 50% of the time to the real 15-20 programs out there. So we will be the same Phil Fulmer Tennessee type program until he starts losing on a regular basis to the bottom 80.

If you run your business like you comment about football and basketball you will be posting from a homeless shelter soon.