Mid Season All Big XII

Totally disagree. Cam Clark should get 1st team consideration as well as Spangler and if we finish in the top 2, I would be surprised if both don't make 1st team. Clark leads, or was leading, the league in scoring and Spangler leads in rebounding.

To me at this point it's Embiid, Clark, Spangler, Kane and Smart.

Smart only gets it because he is so talented not because of his or OSU's results on the court. KU only has 1 player because they don't really have a dominant player. Too much talent and they seem to have a different leading scorer most every night.

Clark's conference statistics aren't close to first team worthy right now.
 
Rick Barnes or Kruger for midseason coy

As much as it pains me, Barnes has earned it. They were picked to be about 8th in the Big 12 and now they're top 25. If this holds up and they make the NCAAs, definitely wins Big 12 COY. If they make a serious tourney run, he'll be a national COY candidate.

I must also extend some kudos to Tubby Smith for making Tech a constant upset threat despite what can arguably be one of the least talented teams in the conference. I'd say he's second behind Barnes at this point. I love Kruger, but I expected greatness and we're getting it this year :)

Soooo... what would be your nominees for flops of the year, those that were expected to be great but have sucked instead. We could call them the "Smarties" in honor of their flopness.

Team: Baylor (now 1-6 in the Big 12)
Coach: Scott Drew (Baylor used to be ranked 7th)
Plummeting NBA Draft Stock: Isaiah Austin, Baylor
Fanbase: TCU (when are you going to care about Big 12 basketball? Never?)
 
Clark will be lucky to be on the second team. He's been a complete non-factor in 5/8 Big XII games this year. Spangler will make one of the teams and Hield and Clark will honorable mentions. Book it. Just trying to look at it realistically.


I understand and I wasn't trying to call you out. Just quoting yours to make my reply.

Part of why Clark hasn't had the stats is teams are focused in taking him away and forcing us to beat them without him. Other guys play will open it up for him and he still has time to get back to early season form. I think he will do enough to get there.
 
Barnes had a losing record last year AND lost his top four scoring options.

Pretty impressive.
 
Totally disagree. Cam Clark should get 1st team consideration as well as Spangler and if we finish in the top 2, I would be surprised if both don't make 1st team. Clark leads, or was leading, the league in scoring and Spangler leads in rebounding.

To me at this point it's Embiid, Clark, Spangler, Kane and Smart.

Smart only gets it because he is so talented not because of his or OSU's results on the court. KU only has 1 player because they don't really have a dominant player. Too much talent and they seem to have a different leading scorer most every night.

we should get 2 guys because we are in 2nd ... but ku gets 1 and they are in first by 2 games??

clark is 13.3 in big 12 games .. on 38% shooting with 4.9 boards
Wiggin is 15.8 on 44% shooting with 7.3 boards

these are in big 12 games ..
 
we should get 2 guys because we are in 2nd ... but ku gets 1 and they are in first by 2 games??

clark is 13.3 in big 12 games .. on 38% shooting with 4.9 boards
Wiggin is 15.8 on 44% shooting with 7.3 boards

these are in big 12 games ..

Honestly, KU could probably get all 5 because all of their players would be the best player on any other Big 12 roster save a few players.

However, IMO, OU should get 2 because both deserve it or will deserve it by the time the season is over. Not that KU doesn't deserve more than 1 but Embiid has by far been their best player and the POY in the big 12. The other 4 are having good years but not good enough to be all big 12. Not to mention KU was predicted to be 1st but OU was predicted to be 6th. If we finish 2nd, we deserve 2 players on big 12 1st team and COY. Period.

Wiggins has the luxury of being on a team with no holes so teams can't double him or put their best defender on him every night like they can Clark when they play OU. That makes a difference.
 
all 5 of our starters average double figures .... clark hardly gets doubled every night
 
Honestly, KU could probably get all 5 because all of their players would be the best player on any other Big 12 roster save a few players.

However, IMO, OU should get 2 because both deserve it or will deserve it by the time the season is over. Not that KU doesn't deserve more than 1 but Embiid has by far been their best player and the POY in the big 12. The other 4 are having good years but not good enough to be all big 12. Not to mention KU was predicted to be 1st but OU was predicted to be 6th. If we finish 2nd, we deserve 2 players on big 12 1st team and COY. Period.

Wiggins has the luxury of being on a team with no holes so teams can't double him or put their best defender on him every night like they can Clark when they play OU. That makes a difference.

How can you say that KU's other 4 players are having good years but don't deserve it but not lump Cam into that same bucket? It's not based on pre-season rankings, it's about performance. Clark has not done anything in conference to warrant first team, that may sound harsh, but it's true. At this juncture, not sure any team deserves to have two guys on first team.
 
How can you say that KU's other 4 players are having good years but don't deserve it but not lump Cam into that same bucket? It's not based on pre-season rankings, it's about performance. Clark has not done anything in conference to warrant first team, that may sound harsh, but it's true. At this juncture, not sure any team deserves to have two guys on first team.

Agree. Hield and Spangler are our only two all big 12 performers right now. Cam just hasn't played well enough in conference, though he would probably show up on the honorable mention list.
 
Agree. Hield and Spangler are our only two all big 12 performers right now. Cam just hasn't played well enough in conference, though he would probably show up on the honorable mention list.

I'm expecting him to get back to early season form and when he does he will be a candidate for 1st team.
 
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