My Thoughts On This Team

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We have 2 flaws it seems to me. First, we are flawed in that we don't have a 4 (e.g. Thompson, rush, hill or McFarland). We play a 1 in/4 out scheme, and our 1s don't rebound very well. JMO, but the only 2 girls that fit the size and athletic ability of a 4 (Kellogg and Gibbs) just aren't two of our better players at this point. So, I don't know what you do. Second, we just aren't shooting the ball from the 3 like I thought we would. We shoot the 3s, we just don't hit them with regularity. So, IMO, we will need to figure out how to play around these deficiencies, to be successful.

And then overall, and let me say I know I unfairly castigate some of the players by saying this, but this is the first lazy team of the Coale era. Plain and simple, the team is lazy. They don't get beat to loose balls, --- they don't even attempt to get them. They don't even attempt simple defensive rotations until it is to late to get there, and play defense with their hands instead of their feet and mind (anticipation and understanding).

They "participate" in the game. To be good, you have to play with an intensity and focus. While some have focused on turnovers and lack of rebounding or whatever when assessing Sherri's coaching, I usually judge a coach by the effort their team gives, and if you go by that issue, she is the best in the business. This is the main reason I have always supported her. Normally, her teams play like they are underwater and have 20 ft to get to the surface and don't have much air left, -- almost a panic adrenaline rush level of effort.

This team is the opposite. I dont' have any idea why that is. Every coach every day at every level tries to find a way to get their team to play with intensity and edge. It isn't easy. And every coach has had a team show up without the energy, focus and intensity for a game. It happens. For this OU team and for whatever reason, it is a too common occurrence.

Great teams are great in "transition". Some think of fast break basketball as transition basketball. Actually, the transition is the moment or instant in time between one duty and another. Transition is the moment or instant in time when you transition from being a defender to a rebounder, or an offensive player to a defensive player, or a screener to a cutter etc. We are too slow in transition. For example, Williams takes a defensive position and puts her hands up to properly create a vertical obstacle to a players driving in the post, and she is still standing there with her hands up while the ball has been shot, come off the rim and 3 Baylor girls, farther from the basket than her, have moved inside her for a easy put back. Successful play depends upon her transition from defender to rebounder. This requires effort and anticipation (mental effort and focus). I don't mean to get on KK, that was just an example.

Hopefully, we are playing people close and hopefully we find some answers and chemistry that allow us to improve and get there this year. If not, then we will really need to get to work being with the next off season.
 
Aside from team chemistry, team leadership, team positioning, team everything, there's one fatal flaw that we've had going from this year from last year:

Free throws.

The refs have made it clear that they are going to whistle if they should detect any type of contact, even if you breathe on your opponent in a menacing way (and Flagrant 2 if you forgot to brush your teeth).

Missed free throws.

We went 15 for 25 in our loss to Baylor. We regularly miss lots and lots of free throws compared to our opponent (Baylor missed 5 going 17 for 22 I think). If they're going to send us to the line instead of letting us finish our shots from the floor, we best be making as many as possible.

Under the new officiating scheme, this has become our new major problem... and here I thought turnovers were were our neverending nemesis.
 
Really miss the leadership of Whitney Hand and McFarland. They really don't have any player leadership.
 
Really miss the leadership of Whitney Hand and McFarland. They really don't have any player leadership.

I would agree with this.

They are the most schizophrenic team I've every watched. It's very difficult for a coach to game plan when they don't know what they are going to get from a player from game to game and I'm not sure we know what we are going to get from anyone from game to game.
 
We often hear coaches talk about how important it is for a team when its best player is also its hardest worker. I like AE, but she isn't and never has been the hardest worker or most intense player. So, Jerry and Proud, you may be right in saying that the loss of Whitney and Joanna's leadership has been important.

I heard Sherri on one of the shows say that this teams inconsistency has been the problem. While I don't disagree with this assessment, I put my thoughts in another thread, e.g. no 4, just not shooting the 3 very well, and lack of effort. The last issue is the most important for me.

I am a big fan of Sherri and she has my complete support, but she has to be embarrassed by the effort or lack thereof of this team most nights.
 
Just my opinion.
I've been sitting back waiting for Sherri to do her usual "salvage" the season and reconnect all the broken pieces. Making all of my knee jerk complaints look silly as per usual.
But something just appears off.
Watching the Baylor game these are the problems as I see it.

1. Hooks is not a PG. She's a two guard. It's a huge problem with the lack of leadership elsewhere.

2. Sherri should be starting Griffin/Williams but cannot due to depth/foul trouble reasons. Lack of post recruiting talent/depth is killing this team.

3. Too many of the same types of players. T'ona and Gioya are not 2s. But right now are not full time PGs either.

4. Too many players who are too short for the positions they have to play, and others don't have the perimeter game or the quickness for the position they need to play.

The good thing is I think there are fixes in the offseason. But each one creates problems.


1. Ortiz takes over at PG. She's that special kind of PG leader. Which is great. However, what do you do with T'ona/Gioya/Laneisha??

2. Little takes over at the 2 guard spot. Who is the backup? again can Gioya/Laneisha play the two?

3. A healthy Manning takes over at the 3 spot. Kornet/Campbell ???

4. Williams plays the 4. Kellogg in year two is ready to provide more minutes at 4. Hopefully
in year two some minutes from Gibbs?

5. Pierre Louis starts at center. Her backup is Williams.

I really think Sherri needs to sign a mobile 3/4 from JUCO ranks. Unfortunately I can see several transfers occurring to open this option. I do think Ortiz, Little, and Pierre Louis will be a serious talent infusion for the Sooners
 
This is a very good thread and each of you have posted some really good comments.

I never thought I would ever see Sherri have a team with so many who can't shoot. I can't help but wonder how many would not get ships if she had do-overs.

We are very lacking in post depth. If Shaya doesn't come on next year I don't see this problem getting better.

I do think with Ortiz, Manning, Little, Sharane, and whoever starts at center will give us more talent on the court than we see right now but it will probably take some time before they play well as a team.

I hope Sherri can put some wins together and finish this season strong but Sherri and the team both need to improve for that to happen.
 
These are all good posts. I have enjoyed rooting for these Seniors and they have had good to great careers at OU. However, a ball has been dropped by them somewhere. Or maybe not. I don't know.
I catch myself thinking things like "Is Vegas ready to move on?" Or, "Can we not date the son of the coach? Of course, I quickly edit these thoughts because they are unfair and I have no idea why we are underachieving.
I will say that Griffin has played as well as can be expected. Bless her heart she has improved every year and with the right pieces around her would be in a position to excel. As it is she is doing her part. I have nothing to add concerning Mo and Vegas that has not already been mentioned. They are good basketball players. Vegas has always been a silent person.
Kornet reminds me of Cam Clark earlier in his career. Highly rated out of high school for a reason yet ineffective far to often given their abilities. When her shots start falling we should see the type of player she can be. Can KayKay take her game up some notches so she is an inside force the entire time she is on the court. I like our freshman class but they are freshman. Wyatt, Carter, and Shaya in particular can be productive parts of a good team and I think the problems we have fall more on the shoulders of the ladies that have been in the program longer.
Sharane has played hard and is another piece that does everything she can to help us win. I honestly have no issues with her play or effort.
Somewhere in all this the sum of the parts are not combining to form a tough, hardnosed, typical Sherri team. I suppose these things just happen sometimes. Im certainly not bailing on them. Something could click and maybe it can still come together. Times running out though.
Gabby and a healthy Maddie will do wonders for this team next year but they will need help from someone besides Sharane.
 
The ones of you saying that Hook's not a leader obviously don't watch games.
 
The ones of you saying that Hook's not a leader obviously don't watch games.

Life has interfered with me seeing every single game, but from what I've seen I think she tries to be a leader. But for some reason her efforts don't translate in better play from the other players. It might not be fair to compare her to Whitney & Joanna. They were both dynamic, bigger than life leaders. It would be very hard not to be inspired by them physically and emotionally.
 
Again the Darkside must speak: What i see is this:
1. A PG who has never gotten the credit she deserves for her play over the past 3 years. From day one has always been brought up she is a 2 guard. Well if you followed our recruits high school careers as much as you, stalk, i mean follow them on twitter and social media, you would know she played PG her entire career before OU and will go down as a top 10 PG for OU statistically. But that all said your still hung up on her personal life. This is a board for basketball comments, you wanna make comments about their personal lives, keep it to yourselves. She coaches these girls each and every timeout regardless if Sherri is there or not. Thats leading. She was voted team captain by the team!! Sherri calls her the coach on the floor. Sure she isnt Whitney Hand, but frankly her over emotional conduct and cheerleader attitude and personality really wore on me over the years. I'm just not a fan of that style of leadership, if that's what you call it, to each his own. By the way she dated and married the starting QB for the football team and nobody cared?? Double Standard? Of course, on these boards expect nothing else.
2. A 2-guard who was not coached correctly over a 4 year spread. AE has never respond to being screamed at, seen it in games. She is a Pure scorer, and the best we've had in a long time. As a senior i think the staff has failed in getting her ready for the next level defensively. If her shot is off she becomes a defensive liability. She still is careless with the ball and when she starts forcing shots they might as well be turnovers. That said she has scored over 2000 points and i want her on my team any day of the week. The staff however should have worked on finding ways to motivate her defensively and inspired her to pickup her game at that end when her shot is not falling. She is crucial to the success the past 4 years and we have to have her on the floor.
3. The 3 spot has been a plug and play spot for several years. This year we have started, sharane, kornet and carter. Outside of Sharane, and occsionally carter, we get no production whatso ever. This position has to produce points at this level. Injuries have claimed a few the last 2-3 years but we've recruited some sketchy talent. We need that outside shooter that keeps everyone honest in man defense. Carter is a 2, but i think Wyatt will be that 3 player for us in the future or perhaps some incoming talent.
4. 4 spot- place the blame on recruiting. We have not recruited this position very well the last 4 years. Getting Jucos like Cerina and Durett where supposed to help shore up the interior with Joanna, Nicole, Cloman and Kaylon. Instead we got players who cannot cut it at this level. Thank God we have Sharane who bust her hump everyday and every game.
5. Center position has received very little coaching. We still have kids that cannot catch the ball, that turn and face up when they are 5ft from the basket, and who always want to power dribble before making a move. Nicole is 6'6''. she should be able to make one move and score, turn and shoot over or catch entry passes inside. Now i know this board has a huge problem with bouncing the ball to the post but that IS a FUNDAMENTAL of basketball. In the last decade is when the lob came around and surprise surprise now kids today struggle with bounce passing. Nicole has great size and a usually a great stroke from the charity stripe. She could be putting up double-doubles every night, COACHING, she was robbed of any significant coaching.

We have some great talent coming in but we lack one key thing, and no not Whitney Hand Jones, SIZE. Sherri has struggle to recruit quality post since the twins and has been guard oriented for years. You board members should really catch some games in person and get out around norman, these girls are well received and cheered for regardless. Little girls come up and ask for their autographs, and i've never heard one say " so how is the coaches son?" or "why can't you make a free-throw. or " you make dumb decisions with the ball!" I have been on all aspects of this, player at a high level, coach, parent, sibling, and fan, and i find it deplorable that we have so many here who are quick to point on the faults and it takes a damn Baylor Bears fan to make positive comments about our players. Someone here made a comment that a loss generates a thread of over 100 comments and a win over the 11th best team generates less than 50? What does that say, tells me we got a lot of couch potato coaches, and if they think they can do better, than get in the profession! Do i get angry with these ladies and their decision making in games some times, its human, but to take it to the lengths many of you have and makig comments around personal live is embarassing and down right cruel. If in your job we berated you day in and day out and then on top of that attacked your personal life, how would you feel? Keep in mind these are 18-22 year old girls, many of whom will go on to have familys and careers outside of basketball, and who are juggling basketball, school,family and social life all together. This is the same team last year that went to sweet 16, minus Joanna, and i think they will be alright and make the tourney. Lest you forget we played both Louisville and Duke close and the Baylor score would be much closer had we had some officiating, Hell it wasnt that bad for nothing but 2 seniors and freshmen playing. Ill leave you with a saying,

"You can wish in one hand and crap in the other, which will fill up faster?"

Stop wishing for former players back or current players to magically turn into them. BOOMER MFen SOONER.

End of Transmission......
Fortress of Sooner Solitude
Lord Darth Sooner
 
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Excellent post, you saved me from posting the same sentiments.
 
Why the need to bash Whitney to make Morgan look better?

Aaryn has improved tremendously on defense and is certainly one of the top 2 defenders we have.
 
I'm not getting into a battle of words, SoonerNorm. Haven't you seen the movies, I'll force choke you and thus win!

I'm not bringing down Whitney, just stating she was not the type of leader I'd play for or with. I can easily turn your comment around and ask why the need to bash Morgans to make Whitney look better??? I was trying to emphasize the point that Morgan is not Whitney so stop comparing her to that and bringing up this girl all the time. I know next year we will bring up Whitney agsin and again . Please see my previous statement for the quote about wishing ;).

AE has gotten better at on ball defense but her help side is not where it needs to be for the next level.

Feel free to tell me I'm wrong all the way but in the end I can always use the force and you can .....ummm. Hmmm... I got nothing's

However SoonerNorm, I did agree with your thread about a team leader and not remembering yours.. Through my years my teams had some great leaders and some not so great. But you learn from both .

Boomer Sooner
 
I misunderstood your point about Whitney. I think she and Morgan are both great Sooners and I admire what both did for the program. I see we are on the same page. I bow down to the force. :)
 
This team has been unable to establish an identity. You don't know what to expect from any of the players in any given game, even Campbell who in my opinion is the most consistent of the players. Even on rebounding and defense we have it one game and it disappears the next.

I don't see us screening except for ball screens. Don't know if that is the scheme or execution. I try to watch for this to be more sure but get into the game and forget some of the time.

Our 3 point shooting is poor because many of them are forced, hurried or from the South Campus (if it still exists). Better screening and movement away from the ball should get us more open shots. Seems like we are out of rhythm on a lot of our shots. And we rush the close in shots and miss too many that we should make.

This team shows a lot of fight at times, not so much others. Again inconsistent. I comfort myself somewhat because Sherri usually gets improvement out of her team as the season progresses and we have played some very good teams close and had very productive runs against most of them.
 
This team has not been equal to the sum of its parts. For most of Sherri's teams the opposite has been true and it was certainly true of our championship softball team last year. The team has not been in synch - I chalk this up to trust and communication. A good floor leader is an encourager - one who rallies the troops - as well as one who points out opportunities Leading a team is a psychological thing - not a bossing thing.
 
This team has been unable to establish an identity. You don't know what to expect from any of the players in any given game, even Campbell who in my opinion is the most consistent of the players. Even on rebounding and defense we have it one game and it disappears the next.

I don't see us screening except for ball screens. Don't know if that is the scheme or execution. I try to watch for this to be more sure but get into the game and forget some of the time.

Our 3 point shooting is poor because many of them are forced, hurried or from the South Campus (if it still exists). Better screening and movement away from the ball should get us more open shots. Seems like we are out of rhythm on a lot of our shots. And we rush the close in shots and miss too many that we should make.

This team shows a lot of fight at times, not so much others. Again inconsistent. I comfort myself somewhat because Sherri usually gets improvement out of her team as the season progresses and we have played some very good teams close and had very productive runs against most of them.

Glad you brought up off-ball screens because we used to be very effective running them often throughout the game. Now, not so much. To get spot up shooters open, like Derica, she often needs a screen to create some separation.
 
The ones of you saying that Hook's not a leader obviously don't watch games.

She's really giving it her all. She's just had very tough acts to follow, namely D-Rob.

At this point in this foul happy free throw happy ref whistle happy season, I'd have to say that our tourney hope lie squarely on Morgan Hook... and she seems to be doing what she can to get us to the postseason, so good for her :)
 
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