NCAA: Pay-for-Play not coming

[SoonerBounce13]

The only thing I would change is that you can go straight from HS to the NFL. But if you enrolled in college the current rule goes in place.

 

[deejay1]

Why do you think that Stoops and Joe C. get on TV and claim the new athletic dorm is a game changer when the kids only stay there as freshmen.

Just to clarify, athletes are staying in Headington for their freshman and sophomore years.

 

[NickZepp]

The only thing I would change is that you can go straight from HS to the NFL. But if you enrolled in college the current rule goes in place.

I agree with this. As far as paying players they get a ton of money for scholarships.

 

[Max Power]

I agree with this. As far as paying players they get a ton of money for scholarships.

But if you increased your companies revenue by $700,000,000 in one year, would you be ok with a pat on the back? These athletes bring in hundreds of millions of dollars a year.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

But if you increased your companies revenue by $700,000,000 in one year, would you be ok with a pat on the back?

If I knew this going into the job yes.

 

[Max Power]

If I knew this going into the job yes.

bull****, you would be asking for a raise in less than 10 min

edit you would be DEMANDING a raise

 

[WTSooner]

What a terrible way of looking at this.

You are hired, as an employee, to make the company better and more profitable. Anybody that can increase company profitability by $700,000,000 in one year, is already being paid to do just that.

And it's also ridiculous to suggest that was all Manziel. He isn't the only reason they were willing games. He isn't the reason they moved to the SEC, or are building a new stadium. And those two things are probably 98% of the reason for the increased revenue/donations. Not a few thousand jersey sales b/c of a good QB.

 

[WaymanFan]

The only thing I would change is that you can go straight from HS to the NFL. But if you enrolled in college the current rule goes in place.

Not a chance in a billion. The NFL is facing enough lawsuits from former players. Do you think allowing 18 year old bodies on the field which could result in death (at the least, career-ending injuries) as a soultion? Adrian Peterson's career would have been over before his 19th birthday. They need at least three years to develop their bodies so they can survive the rigors of the NFL.

Although I agree with thebigabd's ideas in principle, I can't see how they would work in practice. Anything to do with $$$$$ will amount to an unfair advantage for colleges located near big-city markets. If you thought OU struggled to out-recruit a school like USC before, this would be a 1,000 times worse.

 

[SoonerinNC]

When you change a rule you need to consider the economics and the unintended consequences.

Something our government rarely does.

I believe that there are some serious unintentional consequences if college football players are paid beyond the assistance they are now getting.

The equal opportunity rule Title whatever it was has been a boon to womens athletics. That is good. I remember that when I was at OU it seemed sad that the women were left out of athletics. Even very few intramural sports. Also probably the rise of womens gymnastics.

Arguably by essentially limiting mens scholarships to accommodate the large football squads the competitive field, particularly in football appears to be leveled a bit. Previously I think we gave out something like 100 football scholarships.

In terms of unintended consequences college wrestling and mens gymnastics, swimming and several of the lesser mens sports have been curtailed. I have heard it stated that the reductions in college wrestling is responsible for the US poor showing in the Olympics.

As for the economics I am under the impression that few colleges make a lot of money off athletics. Probably the ones that do make it as much off alumni donations as through gate receipts.

I have always found it amusing that people are so selective regarding who they object that make the big money. I hear no one complaining about the millions made by vulgar rappers or the 20 million per picture made by movie stars. No we just continue to support them with our purchases.

As for the mega millions made by Stoops and others you need to compare what the football program brings in now compared to the last year of the Blake era. That year I flew into Oklahoma City on the day of a home game, arrived at the airport around 10:30, rented a car and drove to Norman, parked within short walking distance to the stadium, purchased 45 yard line tickets halfway up for half price and sat in the stadium surrounded by open seats and fans whose primary activity was to add up the penalties against OU and the number of times OU had the wrong number of players on the field.

In our system exceptionally talented people usually make a lot of money. Also people with a gimmick often make a lot of money. Certainly more money than they really need. But someone is always ready to pay them more to obtain that talent. And they work to excel to obtain and retain that level of pay.

The alternative is a system where everyone gets the same (never works; the burocrats always get more) and very few worry about doing their job well. And for those who do there is rarely a reward.

Due to the legislation many college athletes get the same thing regardless of talent. Some get less because they get partial scholarships. However, if they excel they have opportunities to make lots of money when they get out of college. And a lot of the athletes I knew at OU who didn't go pro gained a very good job opportunity upon graduation because of booster support. Unathletic people like me had to resort to the career center.

 

[thebigabd]

If I knew this going into the job yes.

Bull**** man... Nobody should be ok with other people getting filthy rich off your talent or ability.

I agree with this. As far as paying players they get a ton of money for scholarships.

This free college thing is overblown. Lots of people go to college for free. Some of which include:

• Poor people
• Military
• Really smart people
• Employees of the school
• Certain minority groups

There are several avenues to getting free or heavily discounted tuition and fees.

Also, the school giving away free classes for athletes who bring in millions of dollars could not be construed as an even trade.

And it's also ridiculous to suggest that was all Manziel. He isn't the only reason they were willing games. He isn't the reason they moved to the SEC, or are building a new stadium. And those two things are probably 98% of the reason for the increased revenue/donations. Not a few thousand jersey sales b/c of a good QB.

Manziel is the brand right now though. I doubt many of the other players could make much money, but Manziel could/should be able to.

 

[garyeb2]

Bull**** man... Nobody should be ok with other people getting filthy rich off your talent or ability.



This free college thing is overblown. Lots of people go to college for free. Some of which include:

• Poor people
• Military
• Really smart people
• Employees of the school
• Certain minority groups

There are several avenues to getting free or heavily discounted tuition and fees.

Also, the school giving away free classes for athletes who bring in millions of dollars could not be construed as an even trade.



Manziel is the brand right now though. I doubt many of the other players could make much money, but Manziel could/should be able to.

Do you feel the same about the employees of Walmart, McDonalds, Pappa John's, and others that are similar?

 

[thebigabd]

Do you feel the same about the employees of Walmart, McDonalds, Pappa John's, and others that are similar?

No, because that is a bad comparison.

These athletes perform functions at a level that 99% of other people cannot. That's called talent, and God-given ability. That's why people buy season tickets, buy jerseys, want autographs, etc.. because these athletes are by definition, extraordinary.

The people who work entry-level positions for the companies you described, while hard-working, good, valuable people, do not possess these qualities.

Whereas 1% of the population can do what high-level athletes can do, 99% of the population can do what someone at McDonalds does.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

bull****, you would be asking for a raise in less than 10 min

edit you would be DEMANDING a raise

Not if I knew it going into the job.

Edit: you're wrong


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[SoonerBounce13]

Bull**** man... Nobody should be ok with other people getting filthy rich off your talent or ability.

Lol what is your profession? My boss is a billionaire. It happens everywhere.







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[DenverSooner]

If Nike wants to sign Johnny Manziel to do commercials or something, why not?

So Oregon players get paid from Nike? You really don't see a problem with this?

 

[thebigabd]

Lol what is your profession? My boss is a billionaire. It happens everywhere. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

See my above example about the difference between a McDonalds employee and an athlete.

 

[snydrosooner]

Bull**** man... Nobody should be ok with other people getting filthy rich off your talent or ability.



This free college thing is overblown. Lots of people go to college for free. Some of which include:

• Poor people
• Military
• Really smart people
• Employees of the school
• Certain minority groups

There are several avenues to getting free or heavily discounted tuition and fees.

Also, the school giving away free classes for athletes who bring in millions of dollars could not be construed as an even trade.



Manziel is the brand right now though. I doubt many of the other players could make much money, but Manziel could/should be able to.

Don't also forget players get access to coaching, medical if injured, both types of trainers (physical and injury), a sports nutritionist, couseling, access to facilities (basketball courts), and other assets to improve there game. A minor league sports league may not have all this.

 

[Max Power]

Not if I knew it going into the job.

Edit: you're wrong


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You bring in a $700,000,000 account, one that the company did not have the year before you started, and you aren't asking for a raise? Then you are just dumb

 

[SoonerBounce13]

See my above example about the difference between a McDonalds employee and an athlete.

Yeah I saw it.


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[SoonerBounce13]

You bring in a $700,000,000 account, one that the company did not have the year before you started, and you aren't asking for a raise? Then you are just dumb

Which athlete is bringing in 700,000,000?

And again, if I signe a contract knowing I wouldn't be getting paid extra for performance and I didn't like it I would suck it up or quit


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