New AD Hire?

[hoopsaustin]

If Moser is allowed to stay for another season, he shouldn't get a dime of NIL money. Between his salary, salaries for assistant coaches and paying players, we'd just be lighting on fire millions of dollars.

Honestly, if he snakes out another year, let's run a year of starving and desperate juco, D2, mid-major guys with no NIL.. I bet they'd willingly play defense.

Then they can transfer for $$ or stay and get paid with our new coach, after they put up a body of work

 

[mict085]

For the record, I would much rather be discussing how many more wins OU needs to make the tournament and what seed they could get. I think this is the first year in close to a decade OU is completely out of the picture by February 1st.

But, it seems our conversations are on what the new AD is gonna do.

I think the AD may be optimistic but I think reality will hit him hard when he’s sitting in an empty LNC watching OU lose for the tenth time in a row.

I guarantee you, the new guy along with Stephenson…they know Porter is done. The only question is how much is it going to cost to fire and hire another coaching staff and do we have the money. The only reason moser would get another year would be if we can’t afford to fire him. Moser is not getting another year.

 

[daqman]

I guarantee you, the new guy along with Stephenson…they know Porter is done. The only question is how much is it going to cost to fire and hire another coaching staff and do we have the money. The only reason moser would get another year would be if we can’t afford to fire him. Moser is not getting another year.

if they don't have the money.....joe c should be fired immediately. totally mismanaged basketball.

 

[CanadaSooner23]

I understand the skepticism, I just wanted to pass along what I'd heard. Denny & co may not be very popular or liked by this board over the next few months.

 

[Soonermarty]

I understand the skepticism, I just wanted to pass along what I'd heard. Denny & co may not be very popular or liked by this board over the next few months.

The men’s bball program has become such an embarrassment under PM. If they retain him this board may implode and rightfully so. He’s slowly dragging the program to depths I never knew possible. Well done by Joe C and co. Happy to see him be done as well. If it wasn’t for him hiring Stoops he wouldn’t have the legacy he has as an AD. Plain and simple. He’s made more bad hires than good in his time at OU.

 

[WTSooner]

The men’s bball program has become such an embarrassment under PM. If they retain him this board may implode and rightfully so. He’s slowly dragging the program to depths I never knew possible. Well done by Joe C and co. Happy to see him be done as well. If it wasn’t for him hiring Stoops he wouldn’t have the legacy he has as an AD. Plain and simple. He’s made more bad hires than good in his time at OU.

That is so untrue. The guy is generally regarded around the country as one of the best, if not THE best, AD's. Stop trying to micro-analyze things and look at the athletics as a whole. Other than mens basketball, we're excelling pretty much everywhere. We are one of the few universities that has an athletic department that actually makes money. Facilities getting renovated or built across the board. Regardless of the results, his three basketball hires post-Sampson included two of the hottest young (relative) coaches in the game at the time and a sure fire HOF'er. The man is responsible for over half of OU's NC's in our history. That is a crazy stat if you think about it.

 

[MJSooner]

That is so untrue. The guy is generally regarded around the country as one of the best, if not THE best, AD's. Stop trying to micro-analyze things and look at the athletics as a whole. Other than mens basketball, we're excelling pretty much everywhere. We are one of the few universities that has an athletic department that actually makes money. Facilities getting renovated or built across the board. Regardless of the results, his three basketball hires post-Sampson included two of the hottest young (relative) coaches in the game at the time and a sure fire HOF'er. The man is responsible for over half of OU's NC's in our history. That is a crazy stat if you think about it.

His lack of adaptation to NIL and the portal, his delay in facilities (LNC, Love's Field, LDM/baseball, football), and his complete lack of commitment to basketball being a strong program offset any good coaching hires that he has made in his career, IMO. Joe C is one of the best, if not the best, at balance sheets. That's a facet of an AD, but not the sole judge of effectiveness. It's great we're profitable, but as great as he is at the books and compliance, he is as poor at fundraising and changing course to adapt.

For every Bob Stoops, Jennie B, Mark Williams, and Ryan Hybl, there is a Gene Stephenson, Pete Hughes, Porter Moser, Lou Roselli, and letting Sherri Coale hang around. Even some of his good hires were kind of forced on him, like Riley, Skip Johnson, and even Stoops had a stronger influence on hiring than Joe C.

And as a big of a hoops fan than every sport on campus, his negligence on men's basketbal- for a long time- totally discredits his legacy in my book. Good, but not great.

 

[WichitaSooner]

His lack of adaptation to NIL and the portal, his delay in facilities (LNC, Love's Field, LDM/baseball, football), and his complete lack of commitment to basketball being a strong program offset any good coaching hires that he has made in his career, IMO. Joe C is one of the best, if not the best, at balance sheets. That's a facet of an AD, but not the sole judge of effectiveness. It's great we're profitable, but as great as he is at the books and compliance, he is as poor at fundraising and changing course to adapt.

For every Bob Stoops, Jennie B, Mark Williams, and Ryan Hybl, there is a Gene Stephenson, Pete Hughes, Porter Moser, Lou Roselli, and letting Sherri Coale hang around. Even some of his good hires were kind of forced on him, like Riley, Skip Johnson, and even Stoops had a stronger influence on hiring than Joe C.

And as a big of a hoops fan than every sport on campus, his negligence on men's basketbal- for a long time- totally discredits his legacy in my book. Good, but not great.

Hey, don't knock the only undefeated baseball coach in OU history! (I kid, I kid. I loved Gene for most my life, till I became friends with some former players and learned more about him. Obviously he was a fantastic coach for a long time, but he also really tailed off the last 10 years or so.)

 

[AnotherSoonerInTX]

His lack of adaptation to NIL and the portal, his delay in facilities (LNC, Love's Field, LDM/baseball, football), and his complete lack of commitment to basketball being a strong program offset any good coaching hires that he has made in his career, IMO. Joe C is one of the best, if not the best, at balance sheets. That's a facet of an AD, but not the sole judge of effectiveness. It's great we're profitable, but as great as he is at the books and compliance, he is as poor at fundraising and changing course to adapt.

For every Bob Stoops, Jennie B, Mark Williams, and Ryan Hybl, there is a Gene Stephenson, Pete Hughes, Porter Moser, Lou Roselli, and letting Sherri Coale hang around. Even some of his good hires were kind of forced on him, like Riley, Skip Johnson, and even Stoops had a stronger influence on hiring than Joe C.

And as a big of a hoops fan than every sport on campus, his negligence on men's basketbal- for a long time- totally discredits his legacy in my book. Good, but not great.

You'd think someone that had been the chair of the NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament Selection Committee would be more committed to hoops. But he wasn't. He was just someone that his peers and the media loved.

Football fans point fingers at him because we haven't won a national championship in 25 years. Basketball fans point fingers at him due to the atrophy of the program.

He leaves the athletic department in a better place than he found it. It was an absolute dumpster fire when he came in. But as you point out, his legacy is a mixed bag.

 

[Boom Soon]

Did you guys see the video of the new AD trying to pump the crowd up at the women’s basketball game? Telling them to keep showing up. It’s nice to see he’s taken notice of the women’s program because it’s such a stark contrast with the men’s.

I wonder if he’ll speak at the men’s game on Saturday.

 

[WaymanFan]

I'm reading the comments on what Joe C's legacy should be....lots of disagreements. The funny thing is, all of you are correct. It just depends on your focus. OU has 45 National Championships as a school - 26 of them are under Joe C's watch. He gets credit for that whether you like the guy or not. That in and of itself makes him a HOF Athletic Director. His overall great reputation around the country is well-deserved. On the flip side, two of his three men's basketball head coaching hires did not pan out, and they are still playing in an outdated arena. Finally, there is no debate that he was slow to catch on to the new NIL world of college athletics. Again, his legacy is whatever you want it to be. I think all of us will agree, though, that it's time for new blood.

 

[Hecubus]

He has nearly killed my favorite program and made one great major sports hire. All 4 losing seasons for mens basketball in the last 50 years happened under his watch, and from his hires. So while he has a lot of people who eulogize him to me it feels like gaslighting. I am glad we have a new structure and new AD. I hope it makes a difference for the men’s (pro) basketball team.

 

[daqman]

he has also presided over 25 years without a national championship in football

 

[WichitaSooner]

he has also presided over 25 years without a national championship in football

Well, I’m not sure how that can be pinned on him. 20 of those years were before NIL. We had Stoops as our coach and had tons of chances to win another title (or more), especially in the first decade under Stoops. When Stoops retired sooner than expected, he took a chance on a young offensive guru and despite what people like to pretend about Riley now, he did an incredible job keeping us at the top of the sport. We weren’t as good as Bama and Georgia and maybe another team or two in a given year, but again, not sure how that is on Joe.

The Brent hire and the slow response to NIL are really the two potential black marks. The jury is still out on Brent. He needs to show he can have more than one good season without a significant step back, and needs to show he is capable of fixing the offense. But even if he can’t, I don’t know if it’s fair to act like the program went 25 years without a title because of Joe.

On a football note, I’ve read a bunch of senior bowl recaps on ESPN and the Athletic this week. The one OU players I’ve seen referenced as having a very good week is Ott. And he has specially been praised for his pass blocking reps. If that proves not to be a fluke and he actually ends up being a good NFL back, it’ll be the most damning evidence yet against DeMarco.

 

[WTSooner]

His lack of adaptation to NIL and the portal, his delay in facilities (LNC, Love's Field, LDM/baseball, football), and his complete lack of commitment to basketball being a strong program offset any good coaching hires that he has made in his career, IMO. Joe C is one of the best, if not the best, at balance sheets. That's a facet of an AD, but not the sole judge of effectiveness. It's great we're profitable, but as great as he is at the books and compliance, he is as poor at fundraising and changing course to adapt.

For every Bob Stoops, Jennie B, Mark Williams, and Ryan Hybl, there is a Gene Stephenson, Pete Hughes, Porter Moser, Lou Roselli, and letting Sherri Coale hang around. Even some of his good hires were kind of forced on him, like Riley, Skip Johnson, and even Stoops had a stronger influence on hiring than Joe C.

And as a big of a hoops fan than every sport on campus, his negligence on men's basketbal- for a long time- totally discredits his legacy in my book. Good, but not great.

That first paragraph is full of opinions. Personally, I don't have any major qualms with the way Joe C. has handled those things. And again, bitching about facilities is kind of silly. Especially football. SO much has been done for the football program on his watch, and not just the stadium itself. The indoor facility. Other practice areas. Complaining about football facilities is just exposing your bias or ignorance.

People keep saying we're poor at fundraising, but there is not a stat out there that supports it. You can't run the program we run, with the numbers we have, and be poor at fundraising. Period. This is Oklahoma. We're FAR from the richest state in the country. I appreciate Joe C. being a good steward of the money the University is given or makes. And usually, the complaining about the fundraising, or prices, or our willingness to spend comes from people that don't contribute a dime.

Is there an AD out there, in the history of AD's, that has gotten them all right? That never hired a dud in 25 years? That seems like a ridiculously high standard. I'm not sure how you hold Stephenson against him. That would have been a great hire. The guy changed his mind. How does that make Joe. C. bad at this job? I'm guessing you were fine with the Moser hire at the time. Probably excited. You don't get to claim it a bad hire now. Sometimes things don't work out. Complaining about Coale? She earned the right to leave on her own terms. Same with Bob. And kind of the same with Kruger.

There has been no negligence with basketball. Just a couple of hirings that were poor at the end of the day. On a couple of occassions we've had some of the best practice facilities in the country. LNC, regardless of your opinion of it, isn't holding back OU basketball.

 

[BoulderSooner]

His lack of adaptation to NIL and the portal, his delay in facilities (LNC, Love's Field, LDM/baseball, football), and his complete lack of commitment to basketball being a strong program offset any good coaching hires that he has made in his career, IMO. Joe C is one of the best, if not the best, at balance sheets. That's a facet of an AD, but not the sole judge of effectiveness. It's great we're profitable, but as great as he is at the books and compliance, he is as poor at fundraising and changing course to adapt.

For every Bob Stoops, Jennie B, Mark Williams, and Ryan Hybl, there is a Gene Stephenson, Pete Hughes, Porter Moser, Lou Roselli, and letting Sherri Coale hang around. Even some of his good hires were kind of forced on him, like Riley, Skip Johnson, and even Stoops had a stronger influence on hiring than Joe C.

And as a big of a hoops fan than every sport on campus, his negligence on men's basketbal- for a long time- totally discredits his legacy in my book. Good, but not great.

co-sign .. all ..
and i fully admit his part in hurting our bball program makes me dislike him even more ..

 

[WTSooner]

But please keep telling me how Joe C. can’t fundraise.

It cost nothing to do a little fact gathering before posting nonsense.

 

[mict085]

His lack of adaptation to NIL and the portal, his delay in facilities (LNC, Love's Field, LDM/baseball, football), and his complete lack of commitment to basketball being a strong program offset any good coaching hires that he has made in his career, IMO. Joe C is one of the best, if not the best, at balance sheets. That's a facet of an AD, but not the sole judge of effectiveness. It's great we're profitable, but as great as he is at the books and compliance, he is as poor at fundraising and changing course to adapt.

For every Bob Stoops, Jennie B, Mark Williams, and Ryan Hybl, there is a Gene Stephenson, Pete Hughes, Porter Moser, Lou Roselli, and letting Sherri Coale hang around. Even some of his good hires were kind of forced on him, like Riley, Skip Johnson, and even Stoops had a stronger influence on hiring than Joe C.

And as a big of a hoops fan than every sport on campus, his negligence on men's basketbal- for a long time- totally discredits his legacy in my book. Good, but not great.

I agree. He was the “best AD in the country” 20 years ago and he’s been dining on that forever. What he’s done the last 10 years has been failure. His handling of Sampson during the texting BS was so ridiculous and short sighted, it ultimately killed the basketball program His overreach with compliance held back the football program for 20 years.

It’s also a fact they he has alienated some very wealthy donors and has struggled to raise the money needed. You can look at George’s Twitter post all you want, but the fact is we’ve struggled to raise money for many projects because of Joe C failure or mistakes that have lead to increased costs. Boren greatly mismanaged the university in the last decade of his tenure. Joe also mismanaged the AD during his last decade as well. He failed to adapt to the changing environment and it cost us in many ways. Joe C was a great AD 20 years ago. He should’ve left 10-15 years ago before making a mess and letting us fall behind.