Obama's Speech following Oregon massacre

[thebigabd]

Obama's speech following Oregon massacre

Gave me chills... motivating in a very "real" sense. Wasn't a typical Presidential "our hearts go out" type of thing... Spoke from the heart about something he is passionate, and right about.

I love how in the speech he calls out the media to look at gun deaths vs. terrorist deaths, and how we spend trillions on terrorism but are absolutely resistant to any gun control. Also loved how he compared us to the rest of the developed world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wHrpspY9xI

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Re: Obama's speech following Oregon massacre

only a matter of time until this was brought up here.

What gun regulations do you want added?

If these shootings are happening illegally (ie the guns used are not being purchased legally) right now "without gun control", why do you think adding more regulations is going to cause them to stop?

It won't. Gun regulation is not the problem. I'm not opposed to more thorough background checks/waiting periods. But it isn't going to stop these events from happening.

(BTW, violent crimes continues to decline in this country)
The only thing that has a chance of stopping these shootings is love. People need to stop being nasty to each other and start caring for one another again. We need to study mental illness more.

And it is not a coincedence that these shooting happen the majority of the time in gun free zones.

 

[WTSooner]

Re: Obama's speech following Oregon massacre

Some random points/comments.

1. I thought Obama's "speech" was complete BS. He complete politicized it, and couldn't wait to make his point. So much so, that at one point while rambling on and on, he even smirked. Smirked. While giving a speech about college kids being shot. Maybe some of you think Obama is genuine. I do not.

2. As Bounce mentioned, what kind of legislation do you want that would actually prevent these things, and not be completely unfair and against the 2nd Amendment? I can't think of a single mass shooting where the shooter obtained the gun in a manner that even liberals think isn't reasonable. These guys aren't going to get denied for anything on their record. And if the guns are being obtained illegally, no amount of legislation is going to change them from being illegally obtained.

3. Obama failed to mention that most of the "mass shootings" in the United States are gang related. Funny how he doesn't ever mention that. Take away the gang shootings, and our mass shootings/murders probably aren't all that far outside the per capita mass shootings/murders in most other countries.

I don't believe there is a single answer to this problem, but the place to start is by enforcing our current gun laws. That isn't being done. I'd suggest harsher punishment for all gun related offenses, but a) that likely won't be a deterrent to mass murders, and b) the liberals would be up in arms b/c they don't believe in punishing anybody for much of anything.

 

[WTSooner]

Re: Obama's speech following Oregon massacre

And it is not a coincedence that these shooting happen the majority of the time in gun free zones.

Agreed. Time to start arming our teachers. Not a 100% fix, but if it makes one person stop from trying to commit such an offense, it's worth it.

 

[thebigabd]

Agreed. Time to start arming our teachers. Not a 100% fix, but if it makes one person stop from trying to commit such an offense, it's worth it.

Armed teachers, lol... And how long before some armed teacher makes a mistake, or someone takes the armed teachers gun... and have you seen a lot of these teachers? These are academics, not trained police or military.

I will quote Obama on this.... "does anyone really believe that?"... Do you HONESTLY think arming Dr. Laura Jenkins from the chemistry lab is going to work? What planet are you living on?

1. I thought Obama's "speech" was complete BS. He complete politicized it, and couldn't wait to make his point. So much so, that at one point while rambling on and on, he even smirked. Smirked. While giving a speech about college kids being shot. Maybe some of you think Obama is genuine. I do not.

That speech was 100% genuine... and he said he was going to politicize it... It is a political issue. Laws need to be made to handle guns.

what kind of legislation do you want that would actually prevent these things, and not be completely unfair and against the 2nd Amendment? I can't think of a single mass shooting where the shooter obtained the gun in a manner that even liberals think isn't reasonable. These guys aren't going to get denied for anything on their record. And if the guns are being obtained illegally, no amount of legislation is going to change them from being illegally obtained.

The 2nd amendment was written 240 years ago. A lot has changed since then. Ban handguns, handgun ammo, and military equipment. Ammo may be a better target than the guns themselves. A gun lasts a long time, but eventually the ammo will run out.

Obama failed to mention that most of the "mass shootings" in the United States are gang related. Funny how he doesn't ever mention that. Take away the gang shootings, and our mass shootings/murders probably aren't all that far outside the per capita mass shootings/murders in most other countries.

Sandy Hook, Oregon, Columbine, Aurora, and several other highly publicized mass shootings are not gang related at all.

The United States, and it's not even close, has more gun violence than every other developed country in the world. It's not even a debate.

As long as hand-guns, ammo, etc are legal people will keep getting killed in droves in this country.

Arming teachers, lol... most hilarious thing I have ever heard.

 

[WTSooner]

Getting rid of handguns or ammo. LMAO

Not even Obama himself would suggest that as "reasonable". Matter of fact, it's downright stupid.

 

[womenssports]

Re: Obama's speech following Oregon massacre

only a matter of time until this was brought up here.

What gun regulations do you want added?

If these shootings are happening illegally (ie the guns used are not being purchased legally) right now "without gun control", why do you think adding more regulations is going to cause them to stop?

It won't. Gun regulation is not the problem. I'm not opposed to more thorough background checks/waiting periods. But it isn't going to stop these events from happening.

(BTW, violent crimes continues to decline in this country)
The only thing that has a chance of stopping these shootings is love. People need to stop being nasty to each other and start caring for one another again. We need to study mental illness more.

And it is not a coincidence that these shooting happen the majority of the time in gun free zones.

Where do you get the facts that they are carried out in gun free zones. Columbine and Newtown but not the Oregon Community College and they are attempting and being often successful in limiting gun free zones in different states. One reason an armed guy did not use his gun at Oregon Community College because he did not want to be misidentified as a shooter of innocent people.

Where do you get your facts about mass shootings being carried out with illegal guns? Also, violent crimes continue to decline in this country? source?
Does that take into account the unarmed Blacks killed by law enforcement officers?
AGREE mental illness is big. But studying it the way we are studying has made no progress only money for big pharma. ALSO, spending the money to treat it from babies on up. Talk to elementary school teachers and they can identify these future dangerous adults but no money is spent on them. The people in charge would rather spend money after the fact on prisons where people make money from the prisons, plus do not think of the people including the mentally ill who face the consequences. DO a quick research on Google about the gun laws enacted in Australia in 1996 and find how their gun shootings have gone down since 1996 and review their strict gun laws. This and other advanced countries just cannot believe our gun laws and our mass killings and other gun killings.
It would be nice if people were nicer to each other but it is difficult to believe that will happen when you hear the sometimes just awful, other times hateful, other condescending, other just snotty remarks about looks, etc, lard ass on sports boards. Geez, sports boards which should just be for fun but not they are often hateful and worse. With 24 hate news on tv, radio, internet, people on internet who are angry, insecure, like to argue, like to feel superior..........yep, don't see the nicer happening though I am with you.......wish it would.

 

[womenssports]

Re: Obama's speech following Oregon massacre

Gave me chills... motivating in a very "real" sense. Wasn't a typical Presidential "our hearts go out" type of thing... Spoke from the heart about something he is passionate, and right about.

I love how in the speech he calls out the media to look at gun deaths vs. terrorist deaths, and how we spend trillions on terrorism but are absolutely resistant to any gun control. Also loved how he compared us to the rest of the developed world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wHrpspY9xI

good post

 

[sybarite]

It is interesting that those who think that not having guns is not the solution to preventing their use, but not having a nuclear weapon is the solution to the Iranian problem. Iran needs to hire the NRA to make their case.

 

[womenssports]

It is interesting that those who think that not having guns is not the solution to preventing their use, but not having a nuclear weapon is the solution to the Iranian problem. Iran needs to hire the NRA to make their case.

maybe so

 

[MsProudSooner]

A friend of mine said there won't be any movement on this issue until Congress is affected personally. Their family members don't go to public schools, community colleges or historic black churches so they hide behind the 2nd amendment in spite of the fact that the overwhelming majority of the citizens of this country want a minimum or stricter background checks for all gun purchases.

 

[sybarite]

I suspect that the money that the NRA pays to Congressmen would spur them to take a few risks with their own families. There are priorities.

 

[thebigabd]

Getting rid of handguns or ammo. LMAO

Not even Obama himself would suggest that as "reasonable". Matter of fact, it's downright stupid.

Your solution:

Give Dr. Eve Tavor Bannet at the University of Oklahoma a gun in her classroom. That way some nut won't come into her English class and shoot up the place.

http://oucas.publishpath.com/Default.aspx?shortcut=eve-tavor-bannet

And you think banning certain kinds of guns is stupid?

 

[WTSooner]

Where did I ever say give guns to each and every instructor or teacher? That would be just as stupid as banning handguns and handgun ammo.

You ask for volunteers. There are probably PLENTY of already licensed gun carriers teaching at every school in the US that would love to be able to carry on campus. You start with them. Give them background checks. Give them some training. You don't do this hoping we have a bunch of armed teachers killing people trying to pull off mass murders. You do it in hopes that it is somewhat of a deterrent to people trying to carry out these atrocious acts. It's not a 100% solution. Nothing is. But it'll help. Certainly won't hurt anything. Obviously the woman above doesn't need a gun. That's fine.

 

[WTSooner]

A friend of mine said there won't be any movement on this issue until Congress is affected personally. Their family members don't go to public schools, community colleges or historic black churches so they hide behind the 2nd amendment in spite of the fact that the overwhelming majority of the citizens of this country want a minimum or stricter background checks for all gun purchases.

Stricter how? And how would these stricter laws stop folks that have committed these murders from obtaining guns to pull these murders off? I'll give you a hint, I bet it wouldn't. I bet every mass shooting in that the media talks about still would have happened. I get sick of the mental illness excuse. Most of these people are functioning members of society. They get pissed at something, they don't have the upbringing to let it go. That isn't mental illness. Heck, not a week or two goes by that I wouldn't like to bust a cap in somebody. But I don't. But I'd rather live, not in prison, then commit murder. That's not because I'm sane, but rather b/c I was raised to value life. Both mine and the people that would be killed.

But back to my point above, I bet nearly every mass murder was committed with a) an illegally purchased gun, b) a gun taken from a parent that lawfully acquired said gun, or c) a gun purchased legally, that even with the strictest of background checks, still would have been purchased legally.

And if stricter gun laws do somehow start restricting c above, they'll just resort to a or b. But I don't think any reasonable law would keep most folks from getting a gun legally.

 

[thebigabd]

The US has 88.8 guns per every 100 people... The next most by a developed nation is 31.6, which is Sweden... and the US of course leads the world by a large margin in this category.

Your solution is nothing new... MORE guns in MORE places will prevent the slaughter.

If you disperse/sell millions of guns to millions of people, the carnage will continue... The only law that will stop it is banning certain types of guns. The 2nd amendment doesn't protect you from everything. It shouldn't give people the right to any "arm" they want.

And you are comparing yourself to others, this is folly. You don't want to kill anyone, go to jail, etc... But people are stupid man, you know that. There are millions of stupid, angry, emotionally unstable people out there. Thats how 35,000 people a year get killed by guns. Gangs or no gangs. Shootings happen all the time. I could own a tank, a rocket launcher, an F-16, napalm, etc and never hurt anyone. You and I are not the ones in question... But there are millions of others.

I was at Academy Sports and Outdoors the other day looking at shotguns.... and they are selling a damn AK-47 behind the counter in Broken Arrow, OK. While I was looking at the shotgun two guys (pretty young looking) came in and bought that thing while I was standing there. Of course, it was a replica, but it still had the 7.62mm round and had at least a 30 round clip in it. Collapsible stock, red dot sight, the works.... And two clowns walked in there and bought the damn thing.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

The United States, and it's not even close, has more gun violence than every other developed country in the world. It's not even a debate.

might be a little unfair to compare just gun violence since some developed countries ban guns or have very high restrictions on guns. Go look into their violent crime rates and see where they ranks


BTW, the US violent crime rate has been going down I believe

Arming teachers, lol... most hilarious thing I have ever heard.

I am not for arming teachers. Maybe one or two in each building but nobody would know whom it is and they would have to have some type of military background or a lot of training.

I'm a big proponent of armed security at schools though.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

Re: Obama's speech following Oregon massacre

Where do you get the facts that they are carried out in gun free zones. Columbine and Newtown but not the Oregon Community College and they are attempting and being often successful in limiting gun free zones in different states. One reason an armed guy did not use his gun at Oregon Community College because he did not want to be misidentified as a shooter of innocent people.

you couldn't have your guns int he buildings at the oregon cc. the buildings were a gun free zone. Put yourself in the shoes of a shooter....are you going to target gun free zones or places where people might be concealed carrying?

Where do you get your facts about mass shootings being carried out with illegal guns? Also, violent crimes continue to decline in this country? source?
Does that take into account the unarmed Blacks killed by law enforcement officers?
AGREE mental illness is big. But studying it the way we are studying has made no progress only money for big pharma. ALSO, spending the money to treat it from babies on up. Talk to elementary school teachers and they can identify these future dangerous adults but no money is spent on them. The people in charge would rather spend money after the fact on prisons where people make money from the prisons, plus do not think of the people including the mentally ill who face the consequences. DO a quick research on Google about the gun laws enacted in Australia in 1996 and find how their gun shootings have gone down since 1996 and review their strict gun laws. This and other advanced countries just cannot believe our gun laws and our mass killings and other gun killings.
It would be nice if people were nicer to each other but it is difficult to believe that will happen when you hear the sometimes just awful, other times hateful, other condescending, other just snotty remarks about looks, etc, lard ass on sports boards. Geez, sports boards which should just be for fun but not they are often hateful and worse. With 24 hate news on tv, radio, internet, people on internet who are angry, insecure, like to argue, like to feel superior..........yep, don't see the nicer happening though I am with you.......wish it would.

wow. I'm not getting into all of this again. there are plenty of discussions out on this board about all of these topics

 

[SoonerBounce13]

A friend of mine said there won't be any movement on this issue until Congress is affected personally. Their family members don't go to public schools, community colleges or historic black churches so they hide behind the 2nd amendment in spite of the fact that the overwhelming majority of the citizens of this country want a minimum or stricter background checks for all gun purchases.

do you know the current gun laws?

 

[SoonerBounce13]

The US has 88.8 guns per every 100 people... The next most by a developed nation is 31.6, which is Sweden... and the US of course leads the world by a large margin in this category.

Your solution is nothing new... MORE guns in MORE places will prevent the slaughter.

Nobody is sayin we need more guns.

The only law that will stop it is banning certain types of guns.

No. There will still be killings with guns. period. Banning a certain type of gun isn't goign to solve anything.

The 2nd amendment doesn't protect you from everything. It shouldn't give people the right to any "arm" they want.

We already can't arm ourselves with anything we want.

I was at Academy Sports and Outdoors the other day looking at shotguns.... and they are selling a damn AK-47 behind the counter in Broken Arrow, OK. While I was looking at the shotgun two guys (pretty young looking) came in and bought that thing while I was standing there. Of course, it was a replica, but it still had the 7.62mm round and had at least a 30 round clip in it. Collapsible stock, red dot sight, the works.... And two clowns walked in there and bought the damn thing.

How long were you standing there? What was the process?