OU-OSU Stats/Quotes/Highlights/Photos

[OUHoops]

Stats: https://admin.xosn.com/pdf9/5220508.pdf?DB_OEM_ID=31000&

Quotes: https://admin.xosn.com/pdf9/5220512.pdf?DB_OEM_ID=31000&

Highlights: http://www.soonersports.com/mediaPortal/player.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=31000&id=5923847&db_oem_id=31000

Photos: http://www.soonersports.com/PhotoAlbum.dbml?&PALBID=2079160&DB_OEM_ID=31000

 

[152219]

Re: OU-OSU Box Score

Solomon outplayed both of our centers. One of the stories of the game.

 

[oudna]

Re: OU-OSU Box Score

Can't rebound that crappy and ever expect to win.

McGusty so great until last minute.

Woodard another no-show. Unreal.

 

[chuckb]

Re: OU-OSU Box Score

Solomon outplayed both of our centers. One of the stories of the game.

Lattin should've done better on the boards. No question. But don't overlook his 6 blocks. In all the bashing of Lattin that is taking place and will take place, not one of those people will mention the 6 blocks. Those have value.

 

[Sooner04]

Were they good blocks though? Were they blocks that were just swatted out of bounds and O-State retained possession? Or did they end up in our hands and lead to transition opportunities? I was at the game, and I don't remember the specifics.

But one rebound? Criminy.

 

[Crimson&Cream14]

Were they good blocks though? Were they blocks that were just swatted out of bounds and O-State retained possession? Or did they end up in our hands and lead to transition opportunities? I was at the game, and I don't remember the specifics.

But one rebound? Criminy.

Was interested to know this, so I scrolled through the ESPN play-by-play in a couple minutes. I missed 1 of the blocks because I scrolled so quickly, but of the 5 I found:

1 - OSU offensive rebound, Forte missed 3.
2 - OSU offensive rebound, Dillard missed layup.
3 - Doolittle defensive rebound.
4 - McGusty defensive rebound.
5 - OSU offensive rebound, Solomon missed layup.

So of the 6, OSU scored after 1 at most, and had chances on at least half of them. 6 blocks is great, but 1 rebound from the starting center is inexcusable.

 

[oudna]

Gave up 20 offensive boards!!!

 

[TheMont]

I was very surprised that the announcers weren't mentioning how big of a role osu's offensive rebounds were playing in the game. They just kept talking ad nauseam about how osu's "packed in the paint" defense changed their season and how you can't go under screens against them, but I don't remember any mention of the offensive boards. It 100% kept them in the game. And boom. Their game winner came off an offensive rebound.

 

[chuckb]

Were they good blocks though? Were they blocks that were just swatted out of bounds and O-State retained possession? Or did they end up in our hands and lead to transition opportunities? I was at the game, and I don't remember the specifics.

But one rebound? Criminy.

There's such a thing as a "bad blocked shot?"

If he had 10 rebounds, some here would ask, "but were they good rebounds? How many were likely to fall to another OU player anyway?"

 

[SoonerBounce13]

There's such a thing as a "bad blocked shot?"

I don't think so. However there is such a thing as bad defense because of trying to block shots.

See serge ibaka. Instead of gaining good position and playing good defense, you are constantly determined to block shots.

 

[Sooner04]

There's such a thing as a "bad blocked shot?"

Absolutely.

For instance, say Lattin sizes one up real nice and swats it three rows into the stands. Great play, fine, whatever, but on the inbound we lose a guy and they get a lay-up. Not much umph in that block shot now. If you can swat it three rows deep you could just as easily deflect it toward one of your teammates.

But, on the other hand, a few possessions later Lattin just gets a fingertip on one. We corral it and head the other way for a bucket. That's a good block.

 

[MichaelM]

Absolutely.

For instance, say Lattin sizes one up real nice and swats it three rows into the stands. Great play, fine, whatever, but on the inbound we lose a guy and they get a lay-up. Not much umph in that block shot now. If you can swat it three rows deep you could just as easily deflect it toward one of your teammates.

But, on the other hand, a few possessions later Lattin just gets a fingertip on one. We corral it and head the other way for a bucket. That's a good block.

This. Steals >>>> blocks.

 

[sheepdogs1]

Re: OU-OSU Box Score

Lattin should've done better on the boards. No question. But don't overlook his 6 blocks. In all the bashing of Lattin that is taking place and will take place, not one of those people will mention the 6 blocks. Those have value.

Fans are fully versed in what he does well and he blocks the ball well. None of the board members believe he is a poor shot blocker.

 

[chuckb]

This. Steals >>>> blocks.

So some blocks are bad? Because that's what the other guy is arguing. This is the most absurd line I've ever seen on this board. It's true that blocking a shot to a teammate is better than blocking it out of bounds, but to state that blocking a shot out of bounds is a bad thing is patently absurd. Sometimes there's no doubt that blocking shots, especially swatting them into 3rd row, deters people from even coming into the lane or forces them to alter their shot to a less effective one. The ability to block shots is a huge defensive advantage. One cannot seriously argue otherwise.

Anthony Davis averaged 4.7 blocks per game at Kentucky. David Robinson averaged 4.1 blocks per game in college. Hakeem Olajuwon averaged 4.5. Lattin blocked 6 shots last night. The notion that that is either irrelevant or counter-productive is ridiculous.

If people are going to continue to complain about Lattin's blocked shots last night, they're just looking for something to complain about. Hint: stick to complaints about the rebounds. That argument has merit.

 

[Sooner04]

Hello! I'm the other guy of which you speak!

All I'm trying to say is that some blocks are much better than others. If O-State still ended up with 8-10 points on the possessions where Lattin got his blocks then I think the stat is misleading. The six blocks certainly didn't deter Evans from continuing to drive into the paint at will.

So some blocks are bad? Because that's what the other guy is arguing. This is the most absurd line I've ever seen on this board. It's true that blocking a shot to a teammate is better than blocking it out of bounds, but to state that blocking a shot out of bounds is a bad thing is patently absurd.

This is high praise! I've seen some doozies from our resident mouth-breathing knuckledraggers, but to lead the pack........well, I'm honored. I'd just rather have the ball than our opponent in-bounding the ball under our bucket.

In closing, I feel the fact that Lattin had six blocks does not sufficiently distract from the fact that he grabbed one lone rebound in 24 minutes of play. That's one more than you, and one more than me......and I'm nothing more than a 160-pound former heroin addict.

 

[chuckb]

Hello! I'm the other guy of which you speak!

All I'm trying to say is that some blocks are much better than others. If O-State still ended up with 8-10 points on the possessions where Lattin got his blocks then I think the stat is misleading. The six blocks certainly didn't deter Evans from continuing to drive into the paint at will.


This is high praise! I've seen some doozies from our resident mouth-breathing knuckledraggers, but to lead the pack........well, I'm honored. I'd just rather have the ball than our opponent in-bounding the ball under our bucket.

In closing, I feel the fact that Lattin had six blocks does not sufficiently distract from the fact that he grabbed one lone rebound in 24 minutes of play. That's one more than you, and one more than me......and I'm nothing more than a 160-pound former heroin addict.

That is not what you were trying to say. I asked specifically, "there's such a thing as a bad blocked shot?" Your response..."absolutely."

Maybe you've changed your mind or you misspoke and you want to own that now. If so, great. But your argument before was absolutely clear that there are bad blocked shots and you, and others, made that argument to suggest that everything Lattin did in last night's game was bad. The lack of rebounds were bad. The blocked shots were good. Period.

Last season Buddy had 26 points and 10, yes 10, turnovers against Oklahoma State and went for 37 with 6 turnovers in the Elite 8 game against Oregon. Obviously that's far too many turnovers but people didn't ignore all the points he scored in those games and argue that "there are good points and there are bad points" while just complaining about the turnovers. So it's OK to acknowledge that Lattin's blocks were important and valuable and helped the team get back in the game when they were down 10 in the 2nd half even as we admit that 1 rebound just won't cut it from him.

 

[SoonerBounce13]

I don't think there are bad blocks.
But I do think blocking shots can hurt a defense


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[AdaSooner]

I don't think there are bad blocks.
But I do think blocking shots can hurt a defense


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Short, to the point and spot on!

I don't think blocked shots are bad. I do think some are better than others, which appears to be what Sooner04 is saying. Keeping the ball in play to a teammate is clearly better than sending it into the donor seats.

If the defender blocks a shot to prevent a layup or to send a demoralizing message to the opponent about driving the lane, that's good. If he gives up an easy score or an offensive rebound in his attempt to block a shot, that's bad.
And therein lies the problem with Lattin and McNeace. They go after nearly every shot, often at the expense of playing good defense and fighting for position to get a rebound. There is also the issue of early foul trouble that can't be ignored.

Blocked shots have value, but they are in no way equal to the importance of rebounding to a possession change or giving your team another chance to score. A blocked shot rarely results in a possession change. A rebound on the defensive end does that and more. An offensive rebound gives your team another opportunity to put points on the board.

 

[Sooner04]

Thank you for adding credence to my poorly-worded point. I should have said there are good blocks and INSIGNIFICANT blocks. Judging from the possessions linked earlier, Lattin's six were pretty solid. But I will stand by the fact that if you block a shot with the middle of your forearm, the odds are you could've just snagged the ball and headed the other way.

I will always respect the rebounder. Where have you gone, Ernie Abercrombie?

 

[AdaSooner]

Thank you for adding credence to my poorly-worded point. I should have said there are good blocks and INSIGNIFICANT blocks. Judging from the possessions linked earlier, Lattin's six were pretty solid. But I will stand by the fact that if you block a shot with the middle of your forearm, the odds are you could've just snagged the ball and headed the other way.

I will always respect the rebounder. Where have you gone, Ernie Abercrombie?

Or Ryan Spangler. Abercrombie and Spangler proved you don't have to be tall, jump high or be the best athlete on the floor to lead the team in rebounds. You just have to want the ball more than the guy sharing your space.