Players of the week

To______________with the Big Twelve Conference. Peyton averaged what, 26? We are second in the conference, and they give awards to two kids on fourth and seventh place teams that score 12?
 
sybarite said:
To______________with the Big Twelve Conference. Peyton averaged what, 26? We are second in the conference, and they give awards to two kids on fourth and seventh place teams that score 12?
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Brittney Martin averaged 22.5 points and 9.5 rebounds last week, and her team won both of their games. That's the difference.
 
euphguy said:
Brittney Martin averaged 22.5 points and 9.5 rebounds last week, and her team won both of their games. That's the difference.
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If the award is for the individual's performance, the performance of the team shouldn't matter.
 
euphguy said:
Brittney Martin averaged 22.5 points and 9.5 rebounds last week, and her team won both of their games. That's the difference.
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Brittney scored 24 and 21. Half of that against the weakest team in the Big-12. Make no mistake, Martin is an excellent player. I enjoy watching her play. And yes, OU split on the road last week, including in OT against a team that is likely to be in the Big Dance. If we had played K State and Kansas, we likely would have won twice too.

But IMO she won this award for one reason. Otherwise it would have had to go to an OU player - who had one of the very rare 30 point performances in the conference this year. Scoring 24 or 21 happens all the time. Scoring 30 is extremely difficult. My guess is Peyton is the first Big-12 woman to score 30 and NOT make POW in the history of the Big-12.

In addition, Peyton made 8 of 10 3 pointers. What do you think was the most threes made in a game all of last year in the conference? It was 7 – and only one time at that. There is absolutely no way a player having that kind of performance doesn’t make POW unless there is an agenda taking place.

By the way. as far as I can tell Peyton’s performance has NEVER even been mentioned on the Big-12 website. Are you kidding me? But then letting her win POW would have forced the league to mention her accomplishment on the webpage. It is the worst conference webpage in the country and part of the reason conference teams are having a hard time getting any recognition in national media.
 
The award is for Player of the Week. Little scored points, but didn't have many other stats. Martin had solid all around games on the week.

Competition would be similar. Martin faced the 4th and 8th rated defenses in the league. Little faced the 6th and 7th rated defenses (7th and 8th in 3 point defense).

If you look at the OVERALL performance, it is hard to deny Martin had the better week.

Syb wanted Little to win it because her team is 2nd in the league. SoonerNorm says it shouldn't be based on a team's accomplishment. It is an individual award, and Martin did more to help her team win (especially at WV where she was the only offense most of the game).
 
O-State2009 said:
It is an individual award, and Martin did more to help her team win (especially at WV where she was the only offense most of the game).
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You need to do better than that. Take away Peyton's 30 points and OU may be just about 20 short of a win at K State.

By the way, Brittney was 7 of 23 against Kansas. 30% shooting. That is not the way most people measure "helping" your team. She shot a huge amount - and made a few (very few) to get those 21 or so points.

In comparison Peyton hit 9 of 13 against K State. 69%. Now that is a pretty good way to "help" your team.
 
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Sweetest OU Girl said:
You need to do better than that. Take away Peyton's 30 points and OU may be just about 20 short of a win at K State.

By the way, Brittney was 7 of 23 against Kansas. 30% shooting. That is not the way most people measure "helping" your team. She shot a huge amount - and made a few (very few) to get those 21 or so points.

In comparison Peyton hit 9 of 13 against K State. 69%. Now that is a pretty good way to "help" your team.
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Using your logic... OSU loses to KU by 17 without Martin. OSU loses to WVU by 18 without Martin.

Against KU, Martin was the leading rebounder (and is currently the Big 12's leading rebounder). She also had 4 steals and 3 assists.

Little is surrounded by top 100 recruits. Martin is not. Both played pretty much the entire games in both games.

Like I said, Little did not do much outside of scoring points. Martin did a bit of everything (rebound, steals, assists) to lead her team to two victories.
 
I do understand that OSU considers 30% shooting to be superstar quality for their teams.

But OU fans (and most teams) ask their players to shoot better than that if they want to be considered to have performed at the very top of their games.

It is clearly silly to compare rebounds between a guard and a forward - but when that is all you have to hang onto I understand the desperation you are feeling.
 
Sweetest OU Girl said:
I do understand that OSU considers 30% shooting to be superstar quality for their teams.

But OU fans (and most teams) ask their players to shoot better than that if they want to be considered to have performed at the very top of their games.

It is clearly silly to compare rebounds between a guard and a forward - but when that is all you have to hang onto I understand the desperation you are feeling.
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I guess you ignore the facts. Brittney Martin is a guard also. Martin had more assists also. Martin had more steals. Martin had more blocks. All you have to hang your hat on is shooting percentage. Please state something that would point anyone in the direction of Little being more deserving this week?
 
Shooting percentage. That's all. If I had someone who shot 7 of 23, I would be rather irritated with them. The only reason that OSU won when they were shooting 7 of 23 was that WV had a worse night. Someone who shoots 7 for 23 usually loses you a game. OU has three players who have shot worse than 7 for 23 (31%), and two have played twelve minutes in conference play. The other has played 88. Of the seven OU players who have logged the most minutes in conference play, none is shooting below 38.1%. You pull starters for shooting 7 of 23.
 
sybarite said:
Shooting percentage. That's all. If I had someone who shot 7 of 23, I would be rather irritated with them. The only reason that OSU won when they were shooting 7 of 23 was that WV had a worse night. Someone who shoots 7 for 23 usually loses you a game. OU has three players who have shot worse than 7 for 23 (31%), and two have played twelve minutes in conference play. The other has played 88. Of the seven OU players who have logged the most minutes in conference play, none is shooting below 38.1%. You pull starters for shooting 7 of 23.
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When you have many top 100 recruits on your bench, you can afford that. OSU doesn't have that luxury. And if you would really pull Martin out of the game, that would be crazy coaching. She shot 7-23 against KU. Shot 10-19 against WVU. She is shooting 39.8% on the year. She shot 40% on the week. Taking out your team's leading rebounder, scorer, stealer, shot blocker, and 3rd leading assister would be a recipe for a loss.

Shooting percentage is not everything. She makes plays. She defends well. She is the reason for the recent upswing in the Cowgirls' performance.
 
The Big 12 could not go wrong if they picked either Little or Martin. A co-POW would have been good.
 
soonerstar said:
The Big 12 could not go wrong if they picked either Little or Martin. A co-POW would have been good.
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I agree. Both girls had a really good week, co-players of the week would have rewarded each one appropriately.
 
My disappointment is not with OSU or Brittney. It is with the publicity arm of the conference. OU and OSU are in 2nd and 3rd places in the conference standings. You do not get there with all crumy players.

Yet the weekly awards are massively slanted to the Texas teams.

Baylor: 8 honors
Texas: 7 honors
T Tech: 4 honors

OSU and OU: 5 honors COMBINED

Obviously the awards are not related to performance by the team. But now we learn they are also not related to the performance of the players. So what in the world are they based on? What is happening does a disservice to both the players who should win but do not, and also to those who do win the awards. Who knows, maybe some in the league office are wanting to punish Peyton for transferring "North of the Red River". Some people in the league office need to be fired.

OU has yet to win player of the week in the entire conference season (Gioya won it for her play in the last week of non-conference). That is absurd. If you cannot win it when a player has a game that may well turn out to be the best shooting performance of the entire season for all conference teams, the bar has been set extremely high. The question is "Why is that?"

I want to point out again. I am not anti Brittney. But when you have to shoot 23 times to make 7 baskets, that is not to be treated as the greatest performance in the league. No wonder the rest of the country under values our teams, when we say that is marvelous performance. They have to be asking "What in the world are they seeing when a player has an off night shooting?" I will guarantee you no coach in the US is going to coach players this week with the sentence "Go miss 16 straight baskets for us. That's what we need."

This is my last post on this. I mentioned earlier in the week that I doubted the league would reward Peyton. I'm just surprised it didn't go to Davis for her 12 points scored. After all her team did win 2 games. ;)
 
Sweetest OU Girl said:
My disappointment is not with OSU or Brittney. It is with the publicity arm of the conference. OU and OSU are in 2nd and 3rd places in the conference standings. You do not get there with all crumy players.

Yet the weekly awards are massively slanted to the Texas teams.

Baylor: 8 honors
Texas: 7 honors
T Tech: 4 honors

OSU and OU: 5 honors COMBINED

Obviously the awards are not related to performance by the team. But now we learn they are also not related to the performance of the players. So what in the world are they based on? What is happening does a disservice to both the players who should win but do not, and also to those who do win the awards. Who knows, maybe some in the league office are wanting to punish Peyton for transferring "North of the Red River". Some people in the league office need to be fired.

OU has yet to win player of the week in the entire conference season (Gioya won it for her play in the last week of non-conference). That is absurd. If you cannot win it when a player has a game that may well turn out to be the best shooting performance of the entire season for all conference teams, the bar has been set extremely high. The question is "Why is that?"

I want to point out again. I am not anti Brittney. But when you have to shoot 23 times to make 7 baskets, that is not to be treated as the greatest performance in the league. No wonder the rest of the country under values our teams, when we say that is marvelous performance. They have to be asking "What in the world are they seeing when a player has an off night shooting?" I will guarantee you no coach in the US is going to coach players this week with the sentence "Go miss 16 straight baskets for us. That's what we need."

This is my last post on this. I mentioned earlier in the week that I doubted the league would reward Peyton. I'm just surprised it didn't go to Davis for her 12 points scored. After all her team did win 2 games. ;)
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Great post! I agree!
 
MsProudSooner said:
If the award is for the individual's performance, the performance of the team shouldn't matter.
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It shouldn't matter, but it does. What if a team had lost all of their games, but a player averaged 30 points a game. Should that player be named player of the week? Better yet, if this didn't involve an OU player, would you feel the same? Doubtful. In-Group Bias.
 
With some creative editing and zero-padding, these numbers should line up. The first line is Martin, the next is Little.

FG FGA FG% 3FG 3FA 3FG% FT FTA FT% OF DF RB PF TP A TO BLK S MIN
17 42 40.48% 00 00 00% 011 15 073% 04 15 19 02 45 4 05 04 06 79
17 30 56.67% 12 20 60% 006 06 100% 01 08 09 03 52 3 04 00 00 82

I still like Little's line better, but I guess that depends on your focus. Little did have a 30 pt game. And our loss was in overtime on the road.
 
euphguy said:
It shouldn't matter, but it does. What if a team had lost all of their games, but a player averaged 30 points a game. Should that player be named player of the week? Better yet, if this didn't involve an OU player, would you feel the same? Doubtful. In-Group Bias.
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So what you're saying is...we should start with the players whose teams were 2-0 and find the best of them?
 
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