Question re: the proverbial "hot seat" and the comparisons to UNC's season

[Mr.B!!!]

Re: Question re: the proverbial "hot seat" and the comparisons to UNC's sea

OSU is about the same level of program as OU is. They were in the Final 4 in what 04? or was it 05? 5 years later being 7th in the Big 12 and winning 18 or 19 games is a really solid year. 5 years ago this year is a bad year. It doesn't take too many years to make a program seem down.

Last season we had the best player in college basketball and a nice run in the tourney; things go both ways.

 

[SoonerLawyer05]

Re: Question re: the proverbial "hot seat" and the comparisons to UNC's sea

If one or two years undoes almost 30 years of tradition, then maybe we need to rethink how good OU's program is.

It's not the fans perception that concerns me. It is the perceptionin recruits view after a couple of stinkers.

 

[thebigabd]

Re: Question re: the proverbial "hot seat" and the comparisons to UNC's sea

I think even getting to the NIT next year allows him to keep his job, and I hope that is the case. I like Jeff Capel, he seems like a nice guy and I hope it works out with him at OU.

Another losing season and he is likely to lose his job though... Surely OU couldn't have two losings in a row? When was the last time that happened? 1930's?

 

[NickZepp]

Re: Question re: the proverbial "hot seat" and the comparisons to UNC's sea

I bet it was Bliss' last year and Tubbs first year but I'm not 100% sure.

 

[NickZepp]

Re: Question re: the proverbial "hot seat" and the comparisons to UNC's sea

After research it goes back to the 60s. We had 1 winning season in the 1960, didn't have another winning season till MacLeod in 1970. He did have a .500 season in 68. But this is the last time we had back to back losing seasons.

In Ramsey's last year in 1975 and Bliss' first year we went 13-13 and then 9-17.

 

[stoops4pres]

Re: Question re: the proverbial "hot seat" and the comparisons to UNC's sea

we cannt afford to have 2, 3, or 4 straight seasons of crappy basketball.

You're right, and Capel hasn't yet. If this trend continues, then its time for a change.

So the question is -- how quick of a turn around do you expect? What is reasonable, and what is not?

I expect Capel to have a top squad within the conference in two seasons from now, when TMG, Pledger, and Fitzgerald are juniors. They are the foundation from here on out. Capel obviously made some errors in judgement with the role players that he has recruited over the past few seasons, and now it is showing. I expect him to learn from this, place a competitive squad next year, and in 2 seasons churn out a squad that should be very good. If the 2011-2012 team is not up to OU-par, then I think its time for him to go. But I think it will be.

If next season's results are the same as this season's, then he'll be gone. But with a softer non-conference schedule, a down Big 12, and improvement within the roster I think around a 20-win season (give or take) is what Capel will have next year IMO.

 

[Sooner 08]

Re: Question re: the proverbial "hot seat" and the comparisons to UNC's sea

The issue is should he just quit? Or should what he did last season be dismissed? You may want him gone, but (a) he has a proven track record; and (b) if you fire him, how does that impact other potential candidates?

would you quit a job where you could fail and make $1.5 million per year? He isn't quitting a damn thing.

 

[152219]

Re: Question re: the proverbial "hot seat" and the comparisons to UNC's sea

It's not the fans perception that concerns me. It is the perceptionin recruits view after a couple of stinkers.

This is basketball...where one recruiting class can make a team.

 

[Shooterms]

Re: Question re: the proverbial "hot seat" and the comparisons to UNC's sea

Because a lot can change from one year to the next, Nick. Players grow up and decide to make a determined effort to reach their goals through hard work, not by believing their newspapers clippings.

Maybe if you think real hard you can come up with a few new ways to make the same point. [shakes head in disgust and murmurs something under his breath so no one can hear it]

The single most common fallacy present amongst so many message board experts is that college athletes, who are 18-22, don't/can't/won't make huge changes in their work ethic/mental state/physique in short periods of time. I think it is more common with the armchair experts who haven't been around these athletes and understand that they are young adults just like we all were. My time in college was transformative, as I'm sure it was for almost everyone. Why it is that so many message board experts can't understand this, is a mystery.

 

[Shooterms]

Re: Question re: the proverbial "hot seat" and the comparisons to UNC's sea

would you quit a job where you could fail and make $1.5 million per year? He isn't quitting a damn thing.

If you think Jeff Capel is okay with failing, you aren't paying attention. Your post is insulting, unfair and uninformed.

Capel is on the hot seat, right now, with himself. He knows he failed this year and he is a winner who hates losing. I don't know what will happen in the future, but if OU continues along the path it took this year, it won't be because Capel is just chuckling all the way to the bank.