Rankings

[DenverSooner]

Duke lost to Virginia, an unranked team. KU will pass them in the polls if they win on Saturday.

Indiana lost to Minnesota, an unranked team. KU will pass them in the polls.

Michigan lost to Penn State, an unranked team. KU will pass them in the polls.

Miami has to play Duke at Duke. I think Duke wins that game. If that happens KU passes them in the polls.

This means KU may finish the season as the number two team in the country. OU beat the number two tema in the country. Think about that compared to the last few years.

If OSU beats KSU and wins Out they will finish in the Top 10. They were one point away from beating Gonzaga and sufferred a bad loss to Viriginia Tech. Had OSU won both games, they might be a top 5 team. OU beat them in Norman and probably should have won in Stillwater (without Buddy Hield).

This OU team is capable of playing with anyone. They are also capable of losing to anyone but it is a solid basketball team.

 

[Sooner_In_MI]

The fact that KU may be #2 in the polls and get a #1 seed in the tournament tells me that this is the year a 16 will beat a 1. It may not be Kansas who goes down, but this is probably the best chance for it to happen in quite some time.

 

[DenverSooner]

There is still a huge difference between Gonzaga, Kansas, Indiana, Michigan, Miami, Duke, Michigan State, Florida and most of the other top 10-15 teasm and a 16 seed. Those 16 seed teams are typically pretty bad.

 

[Chaser728]

The fact that KU may be #2 in the polls and get a #1 seed in the tournament tells me that this is the year a 16 will beat a 1. It may not be Kansas who goes down, but this is probably the best chance for it to happen in quite some time.

you might be right about that...

 

[Big Old Booger]

Duke lost to Virginia, an unranked team. KU will pass them in the polls if they win on Saturday.

Indiana lost to Minnesota, an unranked team. KU will pass them in the polls.

Michigan lost to Penn State, an unranked team. KU will pass them in the polls.

Miami has to play Duke at Duke. I think Duke wins that game. If that happens KU passes them in the polls.

This means KU may finish the season as the number two team in the country. OU beat the number two tema in the country. Think about that compared to the last few years.

If OSU beats KSU and wins Out they will finish in the Top 10. They were one point away from beating Gonzaga and sufferred a bad loss to Viriginia Tech. Had OSU won both games, they might be a top 5 team. OU beat them in Norman and probably should have won in Stillwater (without Buddy Hield).

This OU team is capable of playing with anyone. They are also capable of losing to anyone but it is a solid basketball team.

Self said after the OU game that KU played pretty well but they were beaten by a good team. He did not say that about the losses to OSU or TCU.

It probably doesn't mean much, but to me that says we can be pretty good, but as we saw the other night we can be pretty bad too. It will be fun to see us playing in March again though...I've missed it.

 

[Chaser728]

There is still a huge difference between Gonzaga, Kansas, Indiana, Michigan, Miami, Duke, Michigan State, Florida and most of the other top 10-15 teasm and a 16 seed. Those 16 seed teams are typically pretty bad.

Well, that is what we thought about TCU too... and then they held KU to 13 first half points. I know the scenario is different, because that was an away game; but it shows that there is at least the possibility.

I mean look at TCU's RPI compared to the 16 seeds predicted by Lunardi:

TCU: 225
A few of the #16 Seeds:
Texas Southern: 182
Robert Morris: 117
Mercer: 147

 

[DenverSooner]

Well, that is what we thought about TCU too... and then they held KU to 13 first half points. I know the scenario is different, because that was an away game; but it shows that there is at least the possibility.

I mean look at TCU's RPI compared to the 16 seeds predicted by Lunardi:

TCU: 225
A few of the #16 Seeds:
Texas Southern: 182
Robert Morris: 117
Mercer: 147

I will take TCU in match ups with all of those teams and I know nothing about Texas Southern, Robert Morris or Mercer.

The TCU game was a road game. First round 1 v 16 seeds are effectively home games for the 1 seed. Someday it will happen but I don't think the Number 1 seeds are bad simply because there is a lot of parity in the top 20. I still believe there is a big difference between Mercer (for example) and OSU, ISU, OU, KSU and Baylor, let alone KU.

 

[DenverSooner]

KU should be number 2 tomorrow.

It is going to be interesting to see what voters do with Miami and Duke. To me it is crystal clear that Miami is the better team. Duke was in a tough game at home and got crushed on the road.

 

[campbest]

KU should be number 2 tomorrow.

It is going to be interesting to see what voters do with Miami and Duke. To me it is crystal clear that Miami is the better team. Duke was in a tough game at home and got crushed on the road.

Ryan Kelly?

 

[pnkranger]

Ryan Kelly?

It took a 36 point performance by Ryan Kelly to win by two at duke. If miami's not better the margin is slim.

 

[campbest]

It took a 36 point performance by Ryan Kelly to win by two at duke. If miami's not better the margin is slim.

He also didn't play in the first game. The team's are pretty even, it's definitely not "crystal clear". Miami is real good.

 

[Chaser728]

I will take TCU in match ups with all of those teams and I know nothing about Texas Southern, Robert Morris or Mercer.

The TCU game was a road game. First round 1 v 16 seeds are effectively home games for the 1 seed. Someday it will happen but I don't think the Number 1 seeds are bad simply because there is a lot of parity in the top 20. I still believe there is a big difference between Mercer (for example) and OSU, ISU, OU, KSU and Baylor, let alone KU.

I am sure that you are right when you say there is a big difference between the KU's and a number 16 seed. But in one game anything can happen. Take Duke last year, was Leigh a better team than them? Of course not, but they were ripe for the taking. They were overhyped and the disparity which use to prevail in College Hoops has lessened considerably. Take the potential four number 1 & 2 seeds this year: KU (loss to TCU and the home game with San Jose State came down to the final minute), Georgetown (loss to USF and nearly loss to Towson at home), Miami (loss to Florida Gulf Coast and Wake), Duke (nearly lost to Wake and was beat by Maryland & Virgina bot of whom probably won't make the dance)... Now is it a foregone conclusion? Of course not, but it would not surprise me this year.

 

[DenverSooner]

He also didn't play in the first game. The team's are pretty even, it's definitely not "crystal clear". Miami is real good.

To me it is. Miami will likely win the conference by two games. Miami crushed duke in Miami and gave them all they wanted at Duke. The big east, big XIi big ten and PAC ten will most likely not be won by two games. Plus Duke might lose to UNC.

 

[BoulderSooner]

To me it is. Miami will likely win the conference by two games. Miami crushed duke in Miami and gave them all they wanted at Duke. The big east, big XIi big ten and PAC ten will most likely not be won by two games. Plus Duke might lose to UNC.

they also have worse losses than duke and duke has better wins

 

[DenverSooner]

That is true in November and December. But over the last two months Miami is playing better basketball than Duke. I just don't see how a team can be a number 1 seed (or even the highest seed in the conference) when they don't win their conference unless two teams from the same conference are number 1 seeds (or the same seed).

 

[jpsam]

I will take TCU in match ups with all of those teams and I know nothing about Texas Southern, Robert Morris or Mercer.

The TCU game was a road game. First round 1 v 16 seeds are effectively home games for the 1 seed. Someday it will happen but I don't think the Number 1 seeds are bad simply because there is a lot of parity in the top 20. I still believe there is a big difference between Mercer (for example) and OSU, ISU, OU, KSU and Baylor, let alone KU.

I will take Bob Hoffman's Mercer team and you can have TCU. Done and done!

 

[Big Old Booger]

I will take Bob Hoffman's Mercer team and you can have TCU. Done and done!

I agree. Mercer would beat TCU. Hoffman can coach.

 

[MI Sooner]

Well, that is what we thought about TCU too... and then they held KU to 13 first half points. I know the scenario is different, because that was an away game; but it shows that there is at least the possibility.

I mean look at TCU's RPI compared to the 16 seeds predicted by Lunardi:

TCU: 225
A few of the #16 Seeds:
Texas Southern: 182
Robert Morris: 117
Mercer: 147

The problem with using this comparison is that bracketology projects the current leader as the conference champ of the 1-bid leagues, and the 16s (or some of them) always end up being the upset winners of conference tournaments.

 

[Chaser728]

The problem with using this comparison is that bracketology projects the current leader as the conference champ of the 1-bid leagues, and the 16s (or some of them) always end up being the upset winners of conference tournaments.

Now that is very true... We really don't know.