Should the NCAA ban long-term contracts in college coaching?

[campbest]

2007:
Tech in Lubbock
ISU in Ames
Mizzou in Columbia
Texas in Norman
KSU in Norman
aTm in Norman
**we did beat Chaminade that year, though.

2008:
Stephen F Austin
KSU in NormanTexas in Norman
CU in Boulder
Nebraska in Lincoln

**we lost 9 games by double-digits. No excuse for that. None.

2009:
Arkansas in Fayetteville
OSU in OKC
KU in Norman
Most of these games are games we would win with the previous 2 coaches.

Games in bold don't bother me too much, but I understand your point.

 

[OUhoops11]

2007:
Tech in Lubbock
ISU in Ames
Mizzou in Columbia
Texas in Norman
KSU in Norman
aTm in Norman

**we did beat Chaminade that year, though.

Lol at you expecting us to win those games on the road with the roster we had in Capel's first year. You also expected us to beat Durant's UT that year, which we darn near almost did, but probably shouldn't have even been in that game. No wonder you want Capel fired, your expectations with a bad roster left to Capel by Sampson are completely unachievable. Btw, which of these games listed was OU favored in? Finally, I don't think we played KSU in Norman this year, I believe it was Blake's freshman year since Beasley was in the game.

2008:
Stephen F Austin
KSU in Norman
Texas in Norman
CU in Boulder
Nebraska in Lincoln

**we lost 9 games by double-digits. No excuse for that. None.

Sampson rarely won at Colorado and at Nebraska, so I guess if you want to blame Capel for that as well, be my guest. Had a chance to win that KSU game with Beasley going off, but we got beat at the buzzer. That happens with a young team.

2009:
Arkansas in Fayetteville
OSU in OKC
KU in Norman

So we should've beaten the Big 12 Champs without our best player with one day to prepare?


Yeah, should've beaten OSU in the Big 12 tourney. Hard to beat a team 3 times in one year.

 

[Tony]

Sampson rarely won at Colorado and at Nebraska

He had a winning record in both places.

 

[campbest]

He had a winning record in both places.

lol, was about to say the same thing.

 

[Max Power]

He had a winning record in both places.

Never let facts get in the way of a good story

 

[OUhoops11]

He had a winning record in both places.

Good for him. In this decade, however:


In 2005-06, Sampson lost at Colorado, at Nebraska, and against Nebraska in the Big 12 tournament.


In 2003-04, Sampson won at Nebraska by 2 points and lost at Colorado.


In 01-02, top five ranked OU won at both places.



So last decade, Sampson was 3-3 when visiting Lincoln and Boulder. Take away the Final Four year, and he was 1-3 with a 2 point victory.



In the 99-00 year, Sampson won at Nebraska and lost at Lincoln.

 

[Big Old Booger]

Lol at you expecting us to win those games on the road with the roster we had in Capel's first year. You also expected us to beat Durant's UT that year, which we darn near almost did, but probably shouldn't have even been in that game. No wonder you want Capel fired, your expectations with a bad roster left to Capel by Sampson are completely unachievable. Btw, which of these games listed was OU favored in? Finally, I don't think we played KSU in Norman this year, I believe it was Blake's freshman year since Beasley was in the game.





Sampson rarely won at Colorado and at Nebraska, so I guess if you want to blame Capel for that as well, be my guest. Had a chance to win that KSU game with Beasley going off, but we got beat at the buzzer. That happens with a young team.





So we should've beaten the Big 12 Champs without our best player with one day to prepare?


Yeah, should've beaten OSU in the Big 12 tourney. Hard to beat a team 3 times in one year.

With all due respect, you are clueless.

Every one of the games I listed Kelvin or Billy would have won. Kelvin lost to aTm 1 time in like 20 games. He never lost to Baylor and as others said, he had a winning record in Boulder and Lincoln.

Also, the KU team in 2008 was nowhere near as good as OU and we had them in Norman. BG was out, but Capel doesn't change anything and expects Ryan Wright to pick-up where BG left off. Wright, in case you can't remember, had zero offensive game. That was a poor coaching job.

 

[Max Power]

Good for him. In this decade, however:


In 2005-06, Sampson lost at Colorado, at Nebraska, and against Nebraska in the Big 12 tournament.


In 2003-04, Sampson won at Nebraska by 2 points and lost at Colorado.


In 01-02, top five ranked OU won at both places.



So last decade, Sampson was 3-3 when visiting Lincoln and Boulder. Take away the Final Four year, and he was 1-3 with a 2 point victory.

So wait now we can ignore Sampson's Final Four year but we cant ignore Capel's Elite Eight Year? you can't have it both ways kid.

 

[Soonercuda]

Think of a software developer.. he gets a job that is a 12 month contract. If he does his job correctly and they still need someone with his skills, they will renew his contract again. Would it be ok for that guy to software developer to sign an 8 year contract, then suck at his job, and get some kind of multi-million dollar buyout? The answer here is obvious, no.

This happens in business somewhat frequently, just not at the software developer level. It happens at the high-priced level as those are the people who have the leverage to get long-term contracts (just like basketball head coaches have the leverage to get long term contracts). The most recent example of this is Mark Hurd former CEO of HP who got about $40 million when he was fired.

 

[campbest]

Good for him. In this decade, however:


In 2005-06, Sampson lost at Colorado, at Nebraska, and against Nebraska in the Big 12 tournament.


In 2003-04, Sampson won at Nebraska by 2 points and lost at Colorado.


In 01-02, top five ranked OU won at both places.



So last decade, Sampson was 3-3 when visiting Lincoln and Boulder. Take away the Final Four year, and he was 1-3 with a 2 point victory.



In the 99-00 year, Sampson won at Nebraska and lost at Lincoln.

lol, this is great.

 

[Max Power]

This happens in business somewhat frequently, just not at the software developer level. It happens at the high-priced level as those are the people who have the leverage to get long-term contracts (just like basketball head coaches have the leverage to get long term contracts). The most recent example of this is Mark Hurd former CEO of HP who got about $40 million when he was fired.

Or Tony Heyward at BP.

 

[campbest]

This happens in business somewhat frequently, just not at the software developer level. It happens at the high-priced level as those are the people who have the leverage to get long-term contracts (just like basketball head coaches have the leverage to get long term contracts). The most recent example of this is Mark Hurd former CEO of HP who got about $40 million when he was fired.

Exactly, it's a free market. You have to pay a premium to hold down your intellectual property, even if it mean you might lose a little in the end.

 

[OUhoops11]

With all due respect, you are clueless.

Every one of the games I listed Kelvin or Billy would have won. Kelvin lost to aTm 1 time in like 20 games. He never lost to Baylor and as others said, he had a winning record in Boulder and Lincoln.

Also, the KU team in 2008 was nowhere near as good as OU and we had them in Norman. BG was out, but Capel doesn't change anything and expects Ryan Wright to pick-up where BG left off. Wright, in case you can't remember, had zero offensive game. That was a poor coaching job.

I have no idea how you can possibly say that Kelvin or Billy would have won a game that Capel lost. There's no way to prove that, none. It's pure speculation that is absolutely meaningless.


Were A&M and Baylor even half as good when Kelvin played them as they have been in the Capel era?


That KU team won the Big 12 title. How do you know Capel didn't change anything? Considering BG went out Saturday night at Texas and we played KU on Monday night, what was he supposed to do?


I guess it was a poor coaching job for our football team last year to lose Sam Bradford and not win those BYU and Miami games.

 

[campbest]

With all due respect, you are clueless.

Every one of the games I listed Kelvin or Billy would have won. Kelvin lost to aTm 1 time in like 20 games. He never lost to Baylor and as others said, he had a winning record in Boulder and Lincoln.

Also, the KU team in 2008 was nowhere near as good as OU and we had them in Norman. BG was out, but Capel doesn't change anything and expects Ryan Wright to pick-up where BG left off. Wright, in case you can't remember, had zero offensive game. That was a poor coaching job.

Personally, I wouldn't compare A&M to now and then...starting with Gillespie and now Turgeon, it is a compete turnaround since the 90's. The KU game I also give a pass, mainly because you saw how limited offensively we were...not just with Wright but overall. Plus, Sherron Collins absolutely went off in the second half. If you want to put a blame on that game, put it on Patillo and Cade who took turns on Collins going dow the stretch...they backed off and let Collins stroke J's from the top of the key.

KU was by no means "amazing" but they still had two NBA draft picks on their roster. Can't really expect Capel to revamp the offense in one day, serves no use. We had a similar thing happen in college to us losing our best player on a one day turnaround, tried to slow down the offense and overhaul the entire scheme...it was a disaster.

 

[campbest]

Were A&M and Baylor even half as good when Kelvin played them as they have been in the Capel era?

The latter Kelvin years, A&M was solid...first team from the South to win in Allen Fieldhouse. Baylor was the same old Baylor until about BG's freshman year. But with that said, if OU is sucking, someone else will fill the void, enter the Bears.

 

[Max Power]

The latter Kelvin years, A&M was solid...first team from the South to win in Allen Fieldhouse. Baylor was the same old Baylor until about BG's freshman year. But with that said, if OU is sucking, someone else will fill the void, enter the Bears.

Finally someone hit the nail on the head. Us and Baylor have switched positions in the conference. How anybody can be ok with this is beyond me.

 

[OUhoops11]

Finally someone hit the nail on the head. Us and Baylor have switched positions in the conference. How anybody can be ok with this is beyond me.

No one is ok with it. It's ridiculous to even suggest that.



It's pretty tough to compete with the $$ in Waco right now.

 

[thebigabd]

This happens in business somewhat frequently, just not at the software developer level. It happens at the high-priced level as those are the people who have the leverage to get long-term contracts (just like basketball head coaches have the leverage to get long term contracts). The most recent example of this is Mark Hurd former CEO of HP who got about $40 million when he was fired.

Right, those are good examples. But should that be the case in collegiate athletics?

 

[Soonercuda]

Right, those are good examples. But should that be the case in collegiate athletics?

That is a value judgement that reasonable people could disagree on. However, in our society we have decided that employers can't collude together and restrict the contracts that employees can negotiate with with their employer.

 

[Tony]

Good for him. In this decade, however:


In 2005-06, Sampson lost at Colorado, at Nebraska, and against Nebraska in the Big 12 tournament.


In 2003-04, Sampson won at Nebraska by 2 points and lost at Colorado.


In 01-02, top five ranked OU won at both places.



So last decade, Sampson was 3-3 when visiting Lincoln and Boulder. Take away the Final Four year, and he was 1-3 with a 2 point victory.



In the 99-00 year, Sampson won at Nebraska and lost at Lincoln.

I totally agree that if you ignore the wins, Kelvin Sampson rarely won at Nebraska and Colorado.