The Difficult Decisions

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It's been discussed around here a little bit over the past few weeks, but I thought about it quite a bit on my trip home from the Mizzou game....and that is this: when do you begin playing for next year?

I ask that because the Missouri radio dudes made a comment that I hadn't been able to deduce on my own while watching the game through gnashed teeth but became plain to see when they verbalized it over the airwaves. It went something like this: "Tyler Neal today, 14 points in 18 minutes. He was really the best player for Oklahoma. Especially in the second half."

I'd been trumpeting getting Neal and Newell some experience for a while, but that proved to be folly when Calvin showed just how green he really was. But Tyler Neal, well, he's starting to produce. In the last three games he's been on the court for 50 minutes, and in those 50 minutes he has scored 26 points and grabbed 15 boards. Those average out to 8.7 points and five rebounds per game in just a shade under 17 minutes per pop. Factored out to 30 minutes of court time those averages jump to 15.6 points per game and nine boards. Excellent production from a true freshman.

But where do those minutes come from? There's the rub, because those minutes are really only going to be chopped from one source: Cade Davis.

Cade Davis is everything you want in a Sooner Basketball uniform. He takes care of his business and handles himself properly in all situations, and we all know that ANYBODY could've popped from frustration over this last season and a half. But we've seen nothing but strong leadership from Cade.

But Cade won't be here next year. The progression of young guys like Tyler Neal means more to our program (and to the prospects of Capel's job) going forward than the last six conference games of Cade Davis's career. Cameron Clark and Tyler Neal learning to work alongside Carl Blair and Andrew Fitzgerald will pay more dividends in 2012 than 35 minutes of floor time for Cade.

But how do you do that? If you slice Cade's minutes way down then you're sending your unquestioned leader to the shelf. You're taking another captain and marooning him to the bench. We already have two like that, and now you're going to make it three? Hmmm. How in the world do you do it? How do you play for next year when it means letting go of somebody who's done nothing but answer the bell everytime it was sounded?

There's a reason I work in the oil and gas business and don't coach basketball for a living. Me, personally, I feel it's a sound decision to give Neal more minutes. Lots more. I think it'll help us much more in 2012 to do so. We're talking jobs, careers and programs here, and these are the difficult decisions that come with the territory.

I'm anxious to see how Capel handles it.
 
It's been discussed around here a little bit over the past few weeks, but I thought about it quite a bit on my trip home from the Mizzou game....and that is this: when do you begin playing for next year?

I ask that because the Missouri radio dudes made a comment that I hadn't been able to deduce on my own while watching the game through gnashed teeth but became plain to see when they verbalized it over the airwaves. It went something like this: "Tyler Neal today, 14 points in 18 minutes. He was really the best player for Oklahoma. Especially in the second half."

I'd been trumpeting getting Neal and Newell some experience for a while, but that proved to be folly when Calvin showed just how green he really was. But Tyler Neal, well, he's starting to produce. In the last three games he's been on the court for 50 minutes, and in those 50 minutes he has scored 26 points and grabbed 15 boards. Those average out to 8.7 points and five rebounds per game in just a shade under 17 minutes per pop. Factored out to 30 minutes of court time those averages jump to 15.6 points per game and nine boards. Excellent production from a true freshman.

But where do those minutes come from? There's the rub, because those minutes are really only going to be chopped from one source: Cade Davis.

Cade Davis is everything you want in a Sooner Basketball uniform. He takes care of his business and handles himself properly in all situations, and we all know that ANYBODY could've popped from frustration over this last season and a half. But we've seen nothing but strong leadership from Cade.

But Cade won't be here next year. The progression of young guys like Tyler Neal means more to our program (and to the prospects of Capel's job) going forward than the last six conference games of Cade Davis's career. Cameron Clark and Tyler Neal learning to work alongside Carl Blair and Andrew Fitzgerald will pay more dividends in 2012 than 35 minutes of floor time for Cade.

But how do you do that? If you slice Cade's minutes way down then you're sending your unquestioned leader to the shelf. You're taking another captain and marooning him to the bench. We already have two like that, and now you're going to make it three? Hmmm. How in the world do you do it? How do you play for next year when it means letting go of somebody who's done nothing but answer the bell everytime it was sounded?

There's a reason I work in the oil and gas business and don't coach basketball for a living. Me, personally, I feel it's a sound decision to give Neal more minutes. Lots more. I think it'll help us much more in 2012 to do so. We're talking jobs, careers and programs here, and these are the difficult decisions that come with the territory.

I'm anxious to see how Capel handles it.

Good post :clap I too believe that Neal needs more minutes, and to take them away from Davis is a tough decision. I hated seeing how Crock's last season went because he busted his ass night in and night out. And to see Cade's last year going like this is just as hard.
 
Is Cade the only player he could take minutes from? I know Cade has played multiple positions. Is Neal not experienced enough to do that?
 
Is Cade the only player he could take minutes from? I know Cade has played multiple positions. Is Neal not experienced enough to do that?
Probably so, I would imagine. To keep Cade and Neal out there at the same time you'd have to start slicing minutes from guys who will be here next year.
 
Probably so, I would imagine. To keep Cade and Neal out there at the same time you'd have to start slicing minutes from guys who will be here next year.

Are you suggesting that he should take minutes from Cade simply because Cade is a senior? I know coaches sometimes do that, but i've never been in favor of it.

EDIT: I should say I've never been in favor of it unless the Senior really doesn't deserve the time.
 
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Neal should get the additional minutes from a combination off Cade, Pledger, and clark. These 3 shouldn't have to play every second of the game. Use Neal to spell them for a bit and to take the floor during foul trouble.
 
I will prolly get flamed for this and I dont care, Until fitz dedicates himself to crashing the boards give neal some of his minutes

edit: this might also be beneficial to the future because if Fitz learns to box out and crash the boards it will be a big plus for the next tow years
 
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Neal should get the additional minutes from a combination off Cade, Pledger, and clark. These 3 shouldn't have to play every second of the game. Use Neal to spell them for a bit and to take the floor during foul trouble.

I remember one read when Kelvin had so many injuries and we had only 6 healthy players. He had to develop a rotation where they they had to sub for each other to divide up the minutes among all 6 so that we wouldn't run completely out of gas before the game was over. They could do something like that. But, I wouldn't be in favor to just taking minutes from Cade because he won't be here next year.
 
It makes sense to bench Cade in order to get Neal more minutes, but you just don't do. It just sends a horrible message to everyone.

Hey, come to Oklahoma where you can work hard for four years, be a team leader with nothing but a positive attitude, be one of our best players your senior year, and then get benched.

Cade is pretty much the only guy you can sit for Neal to get more minutes if you are playing for the future. You don't do that to a senior who has given everything to the program and done nothing wrong. I think Cade has earned that.
 
I will prolly get flamed for this and I dont care, Until fitz dedicates himself to crashing the boards give neal some of his minutes

Either this, or play have Neal play the 3 and 4 spot. At times, you could have Clark at the 3 and Cade at the 4, or Cade at the 4 and Neal at the 3, or Clark at the 3 or 4 with Neal at the other.

I agree, he needs more minutes so however you do it just get it done.
 
Are you suggesting that he should take minutes from Cade simply because Cade is a senior? I know coaches sometimes do that, but i've never been in favor of it.
I'm not in favor of it either, but here's my line of thinking.

Capel is really up against it next year. Does playing Neal extra minutes this year at the expense of Cade get us closer to going something like 10-8 in conference next year? And if so, does that get us back into the Tournament and, if so, does that save Capel's job? He's on the razor's edge, and it may be difficult for a 9-9 team to make it out of our league next year.

If we had stuff to play for this year then you don't do it. But this year is over. It's toast. 2012 is everything right now because if it's a failure then it's back to the drawing board because Capel is gone and a new hire will have to be made.
 
The flip side of this conversation is production. If Tyler is starting to produce and others are dropping off you don't NOT play him because he if a freshman. If he is earning those minutes even if it is at the expense of Cade then so be it! I love Cade and wish him the best and it hurts to see his last season this way but you can't hold someone else down who is doing the work. We will see how much Tyler plays the rest of the year. Plus if Cade comes out and is hot you can guarantee he is not going to the bench unless it is with fouls.
 
I think some of our problems on the court is that Cade and Pledger if you look at it are basically the same player. Cade maybe likes to go inside the paint a bit more but both basically do the same job and both miss about the same number of 3s. Cade's better on defense, that's really the only difference between the two.

So anyway Having both of them on the floor is probably a bit of a detriment to the team. If both were making 3s at 40% instead of 30% it's probably different but both are making 3s at about the same low rate so it's really hard to have both on the floor and have a cohesive offense. The only time it's good to have them is if one or both is hot.

I think it may be beneficial to just go young and play for next year also. I love Cade he plays hard and is a leader. I wouldn't mind him starting every game and playing 20 minutes or something like that but I agree we need to try and get more minutes for our young guys. I would also include playing Newell as a 2 guard more. Seeing what he can do there.
 
Neal should get the additional minutes from a combination off Cade, Pledger, and clark. These 3 shouldn't have to play every second of the game. Use Neal to spell them for a bit and to take the floor during foul trouble.

i feel like this is the only solution. before that second media timeout hits in the first half, capel has to have a feel for who is not playing well and sub neal in for that player. after that, you can have a good rotation by using that player to spell the other three.
 
capel will probably not play neal at all in the next game... dude is good needs 20 minutes
 
If Cade is cold (like he was against Mizzou), bench him and give the minutes to Neal. If Pledger is cold, give the minutes to Neal. If Fitz picks up some fouls, play small and get Neal in there. Instead of playing Blair 40 minutes a game, slide Pledger over to the PG spot and put Neal in.

There are lots of ways to get Neal on the court, and Capel should do so.

I would rather see Neal, Clark, Fitz, and Pledger all play at least 25-30 minutes per game together. They are the 4 core players.
 
i feel like this is the only solution. before that second media timeout hits in the first half, capel has to have a feel for who is not playing well and sub neal in for that player. after that, you can have a good rotation by using that player to spell the other three.

This...it's really not that hard.
 
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