The next Big Thing

[j2d2]

will be to gripe about Kruger's disciplined, unexciting half court offense(just like Kelvin) and under appreciating his disciplined, effective defense(like Kelvin).

 

[SoonerTraveler]

That is just the way some folks are. Nothing to be done about it.

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[soonerbms]

If he wins like Sampson did, I assure you that there will be very little *****ing on this board. After the last two seasons, I just want us to get back to the dance on a yearly basis like we used to.

 

[WTSooner]

If he wins like Sampson did, I assure you that there will be very little *****ing on this board. After the last two seasons, I just want us to get back to the dance on a yearly basis like we used to.

It should be that way, but some folks will still complain.

Like you said, if we can get back to winning and making the Dance, I'll be more than happy for the next several years. :clap

 

[ctewj87]

It should be that way, but some folks will still complain.

Like you said, if we can get back to winning and making the Dance, I'll be more than happy for the next several years. :clap

I agree but I used to be a regular on the board in 04-05 and there was a lot of complaints on Sampson then and I'm sure Lon will take his lumps on here shortly. Just like Joe C. was getting beat up for the past few weeks. Never understood why there was so much venom towards him. I think he is the best AD in the country and the athletic program at OU has never been in better shape.

 

[SoonerTraveler]

I agree but I used to be a regular on the board in 04-05 and there was a lot of complaints on Sampson then and I'm sure Lon will take his lumps on here shortly. Just like Joe C. was getting beat up for the past few weeks. Never understood why there was so much venom towards him. I think he is the best AD in the country and the athletic program at OU has never been in better shape.

Joe caught heat because, 3 weeks ago, there did not appear to be any hope for the OU basketball program.

Since then, the angst and impatience with the coaching search was just the usual fear of the unknown. (Plus, the usual message board feeding frenzy.)

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[Darwin]

Vast majority of the hoops fans will be happy with consistent winning. Some that were unhappy in the Sampson days will have a new appreciation for making the tournament. There will always be the crowd that watches hoops only because football season is over and trashes the coach after every loss.

 

[greenbug]

will be to gripe about Kruger's disciplined, unexciting half court offense(just like Kelvin) and under appreciating his disciplined, effective defense(like Kelvin).

Kelvin won games but I wouldn't call his system on either side of the ball disciplined. His teams often passed the ball around the perimeter with little to no penetration due to a lack of ball handlers. This forced us to jack up bad shots as time was expiring on the shot clock. On defense, we would often have guys in foul trouble early in the second half. Also we put teams in the bonus with WAY too much time left in regulation. Disciplined defense is to defend well with a minimal amount of fouls.
I do believe that Kruger may bring a disciplined brand of ball to OU, but to compare his system to Sampson's is not accurate IMO.

 

[coolm]

meh green ... IMO fouls need to be used. if you're not committing any fouls then you're not pushing the limits of how closely you can guard w/o drawing a foul. Ideally you should be picking up the 5th foul just as the buzzer sounds.

Plus there's no reason to allow a layup.

if a guy has decent minutes in the first half and doesnt have 2 fouls then I don't believe he's trying hard enough.

 

[bocabull]

As a lifelong hardcore basketball fan making the tournament means nothing to me if you don't advance. 1 and done is no different than not making it IMO.

That's why Sampson did little for me. When we won the 3 Big XII tournaments and went to the final 4 my opinion changed for a bit but we slid right back to losing to worse seeds. Hollis Price was the reason for that 3 year success just as much as people say Blake was responsible for Capels success.

Kruger is head and shoulders above Sampson.

 

[bradmurray147]

meh green ... IMO fouls need to be used. if you're not committing any fouls then you're not pushing the limits of how closely you can guard w/o drawing a foul. Ideally you should be picking up the 5th foul just as the buzzer sounds.

Plus there's no reason to allow a layup.

if a guy has decent minutes in the first half and doesnt have 2 fouls then I don't believe he's trying hard enough.

Or he plays really crappy defense with his feet. If you're having to reach and hack to be a "good defender" chances are you're not a good defender to begin with.

 

[greenbug]

meh green ... IMO fouls need to be used. if you're not committing any fouls then you're not pushing the limits of how closely you can guard w/o drawing a foul. Ideally you should be picking up the 5th foul just as the buzzer sounds.

Plus there's no reason to allow a layup.

if a guy has decent minutes in the first half and doesnt have 2 fouls then I don't believe he's trying hard enough.

I agree 100% with what your saying. However, we were often in foul trouble way too early in games due to lazy feet, poor angles and too much grabbing. This made for a slow, sluggish, and hard to watch game that was NOT fundamentally sound IMO.

 

[greenbug]

Or he plays really crappy defense with his feet. If you're having to reach and hack to be a "good defender" chances are you're not a good defender to begin with.

This was an absolute trademark of Sampson's teams IMO.

 

[NickZepp]

As a lifelong hardcore basketball fan making the tournament means nothing to me if you don't advance. 1 and done is no different than not making it IMO.

That's why Sampson did little for me. When we won the 3 Big XII tournaments and went to the final 4 my opinion changed for a bit but we slid right back to losing to worse seeds.

Except for the fact that there is a huge difference from winning and not winning yeah you are 100% correct. There's a big difference from playing big games late in the year and playing meaningless games late in the year.

 

[JBaker]

I will admit that I wasn't really unhappy to see Sampson go when he did.

But it had nothing to do with his teams' style of play. I just felt like we MASSIVELY underachieved in Kelvin's last year here.

I remember being picked first in the Big 12 and then struggling at home against Binghamton (before they got a bunch of ballin' convicts) early in the season. Playing undisciplined throughout. And then obviously losing to UWM in the first round didn't help.

 

[NickZepp]

His last team nothing he did really worked with that team for some reason. They were a talented group, should have beat Kansas that year in Lawrence. But for some reason that team just didn't play that good all year. But I wanted him back because of the recruiting class he had coming in with Reynolds, James, Clark, Crocker, and Mayfield. Mayfield never did anything but the next year under Sampson would have still probably been a rough year because the team was going to still be so young. Carter and Neal were back the rest of the roster was still Sophomore and Freshman based. But that talent would have been final four material. Still nearly made it with half the freshman class+what we had+Blake. Imagine Reynolds+James on that roster.