The proposed new Big 12 tv deal...

Last year the Big 12 had a 136 mil dollar TV deal. They've added about 30 million to that. I can't see how losing 2 pretty big markets.

What two big markets is that? Denver yes....Nebraska is by far the smallest state in the Big 12. Not even close. Actually the rest gain by not having to pay tNebraska their share. So really only losing Denver.
I'm telling you the last thing TV wants our super conferences getting in the way of the NCAA tourney and BCS games. The Supers were talking about starting their own March Madness. That would kill CBS and their huge contract. The TV networks don't want each league to have their own cable networks either. I'm sure the TV execs jumped at the chance to block all this mess.
 
Now that Texas controls OU's destiny, what happens in 4 years after the big conferences are finished with their expansion plans? Get ready to pay 40 bucks to watch OU play Idaho State. OU sold their soul to the devil. It will be interesting to see if Joe C ends up being the commissioner of the revised league at some point.

yeah, Sid you better start researching those Mountain West Conference message boards huh. :D
 
Nebraska has a huge football base. Probably bigger than the Colorado market really. I understand getting 20 mil from those. Did some network really add 15-20 mil to make this work?
 
Exactly. Going to the Pac-16, OU would be the #2 newcomer. You know the USC & UCLA's are going to be the top dogs.

Ucla? Ya sure... I'm not scared of PAC10 we will dominate.
 
First off, take a chill pill. No need to get hostile.

Second, if you're trying to compare the Pac-16's failure to land a big TV contract to the Big 12's failure, you can't, since the Pac-16 doesn't exist. The Pac-16 hasn't even been created, but I'm willing to bet it presents a more attractive option then this deal that Beebe conveniently just now presented to the remaining Big 12 teams.

The Big 12 has had an awful TV deal for forever, and this is before it lost one of its more prominent markets in Denver, and one of its more relevant programs in Nebraska. I don't see how it can possibly form just as good if not a better deal then this hypothetical Pac-16 conference, considering the fact that the Big 12 has now regressed, and this Pac-16 will have 8 of the 20 largest TV markets in the country.

I could very well be wrong, we'll just have to see. For now, though, I'm very skeptical.

This!
 
Ucla? Ya sure... I'm not scared of PAC10 we will dominate.

I didn't mean as much on the field/court but as in who gets to control the inner workings of the conference like it is said Texas does in the Big 12.
 
I'm reading things on this deal and it's scary. All of it's basically speculation not real solid. I mean yes we get 20 mil from the teams that left. But contract is basically based off if the conference is any good in football. If ISU, Baylor, Kansas, etc continue to be bad in football this may fall apart mid way through the deal.
 
I'm reading things on this deal and it's scary. All of it's basically speculation not real solid. I mean yes we get 20 mil from the teams that left. But contract is basically based off if the conference is any good in football. If ISU, Baylor, Kansas, etc continue to be bad in football this may fall apart mid way through the deal.

The entire situation is a farce. In 4 years, Texas could cut a deal with NBC and tell the rest of the schools to kiss off. In the short term the revised league may look like a good deal but 4 years from now after the big conferences are finished with their expansion plans, KU along with the rest of the morons will have no place to go. I hope the fans enjoy ppv. If the Big East and the ACC end up merging, KU will have made a major mistake accepting this deal.
 
The entire situation is a farce. In 4 years, Texas could cut a deal with NBC and tell the rest of the schools to kiss off. In the short term the revised league may look like a good deal but 4 years from now after the big conferences are finished with their expansion plans, KU along with the rest of the morons will have no place to go. I hope the fans enjoy ppv. If the Big East and the ACC end up merging, KU will have made a major mistake accepting this deal.

EXACTLY!!! I just made a post that this will all just play out again after this contract expires and Texass will just do it again.
 
I agree. OU will pretty much be able to go where they want. Maybe OSU does also because of the money they have around that program. But this is a long term disaster for everyone involved but Texas.
 
I agree. OU will pretty much be able to go where they want. Maybe OSU does also because of the money they have around that program. But this is a long term disaster for everyone involved but Texas.
I wouldn't bet on it, Nick.
 
Here's an article from CNBC


http://www.cnbc.com/id/37636000?__source=RSS*blog*&par=RSS


Barry Frank knows more about TV rights money than just about anyone. And the executive vice president for IMG Media who has negotiated a slew of television deals in his years in the business has this to say about adding the 16-team conference that is developing with the Pac-10: The math might not work.

Here's why.

First of all, Frank explains, each team isn't equal in terms of the money they can bring in to the conference. In fact, not many teams—including Colorado, the only one who has thus far accepted a bid to leave the Big XII for the Pac-10—pay for themselves.

"Texas does and that's why they'll get paid a bigger share of the television money if they move, just like they received a bigger share in the Big XII," said Frank, who negotiated the new BCS deal with ESPN in 2008 and the new ACC football and basketball rights deal, a bidding war also won by ESPN.

Then comes the fact that, with more teams, rights fees might not increase enough for a 16-team split to make sense for the conference.

Right now, the Pac-10 TV deal, which expires in two seasons, pays teams $96 million total. The conference has thrown out the idea that, with the new teams, the package will automatically double. But how much bigger can the deal really get?

For comparison's sake, the Big XII is pulling in $72 million a year (though its Fox Sports Net component expires after the 2012 season). The ACC's deal is worth $155 million a year, the SEC brings in $205 million a year and the Big Ten's total coffers are worth about $220 million a year.

"People have to remember that the way the cable channels decide how much they can pay is by determining if they can increase their subscriber fee or advertising," Frank said. "ESPN already has the highest fee out there, so the cable operators aren't paying anymore there and there's probably not much growth in advertising either."
Why? Because if the new teams play in a split conference that is essentially the old Big XII plus Arizona and Arizona State, there aren't that many more games that will draw much bigger ratings than the old Pac-10 did.

With ESPN out of the picture, Frank says Fox—in Fox Sports Net, its current partner, and FX, which is transitioning into a weekend sports channel — is the most likely option to grow fees. Frank says there's a chance that cable operators will pay 25 to 50 cents more per subscriber to those channels that could lead to more money.
Then there's all that buzz about starting a new TV network. The partner is likely to be Fox, which currently is partners with the Big Ten in its network. That means there would be one check being cut to the league for both the outside deal and the network partnership with no competition in the marketplace.

Something also kept out of the public conversations thus far, Frank said, is the fact that starting up a network includes a huge monetary investment by the schools.
"It's great to have a 24-hour network," Frank said. "But you also have to realize, it costs about $25,000 to broadcast that volleyball game or $60,000 to do the track meet."

For the Big XII teams themselves that are considering the jump with Colorado already gone (Texas, Texas Tech, Texas A&M, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State), the deal seems worth it. Even with more to divvy up, they'll likely earn more than what they make in the current Big XII.

It might not work out as well for the the Pac-10's current partners as adding Texas to Colorado and closing up shop might make the most sense for each team to be able to pull in the most money.

Frank said that each team will be paid by the Pac-10 in TV money what the new conference thinks they are worth and that's where this will either turn into being a good or bad deal for the conference. Bottom line is, some teams don't add much value. They'll be paid a smaller percentage of what might be a bigger pie, which also would have to be split in 16 pieces.

"It's getting more technical every day," Frank said. "There's a great deal of math going on and it's very sophisticated."

From a television standpoint, and that's where the money is obviously coming from, Frank seems a little surprised at all the talk of movement, which in the end, might just be fool's gold.

Does Nebraska's likely move to the Big Ten make sense for the conference, considering the fact that there would be another partner to split with?

"Probably not," Frank said.

And how about the talk of the Texas A&M to the SEC?

"That's not worth it to the SEC either," Frank said. "I can't imagine adding a team that would improve on what they already have."
 
Thanks for posting that Ms. Huh, what do you know the Pac-16 TV deal wasn't all it was cracked up to be. Seems to be like the Big 12 AD's looked at the deal very closely and talked about it and saw it wasn't that great. They took their time and didn't rush into anything. :clap
 
The entire situation is a farce. In 4 years, Texas could cut a deal with NBC and tell the rest of the schools to kiss off. In the short term the revised league may look like a good deal but 4 years from now after the big conferences are finished with their expansion plans, KU along with the rest of the morons will have no place to go. I hope the fans enjoy ppv. If the Big East and the ACC end up merging, KU will have made a major mistake accepting this deal.

That's what I'm worried about, as well.
 
The entire situation is a farce. In 4 years, Texas could cut a deal with NBC and tell the rest of the schools to kiss off. In the short term the revised league may look like a good deal but 4 years from now after the big conferences are finished with their expansion plans, KU along with the rest of the morons will have no place to go. I hope the fans enjoy ppv. If the Big East and the ACC end up merging, KU will have made a major mistake accepting this deal.

:facepalm Dude you are amazing. All the crap you've been talking about KU going to the MWC and being left out in the cold and now you are still talking crap on KU? Calling them morons. If this Super Conference Pac-16 is all that then it doesn't sound like KU, KSU, Baylor, Iowa St & Mizzou are the morons.
And you are now saying KU is making a major mistake accepting this deal. :ez-laugh: After all the talk of being left out of a BCS conference. Tell me what should KU do?
Dude your obsession is crazy.
 
:facepalm Dude you are amazing. All the crap you've been talking about KU going to the MWC and being left out in the cold and now you are still talking crap on KU? Calling them morons. If this Super Conference Pac-16 is all that then it doesn't sound like KU, KSU, Baylor, Iowa St & Mizzou are the morons.
And you are now saying KU is making a major mistake accepting this deal. :ez-laugh: After all the talk of being left out of a BCS conference. Tell me what should KU do?
Dude your obsession is crazy.

you've got to get a new schtick. This one was cool and funny for a little bit, but has run it's course.
 
I'm glad ESPN was eliminated from the competition. If collusion was involved, somebody needs to call for an investigation.

With ESPN out of the picture, Frank says Fox—in Fox Sports Net, its current partner, and FX, which is transitioning into a weekend sports channel — is the most likely option to grow fees. Frank says there's a chance that cable operators will pay 25 to 50 cents more per subscriber to those channels that could lead to more money.
lol
 
The entire situation is a farce. In 4 years, Texas could cut a deal with NBC and tell the rest of the schools to kiss off. In the short term the revised league may look like a good deal but 4 years from now after the big conferences are finished with their expansion plans, KU along with the rest of the morons will have no place to go. I hope the fans enjoy ppv. If the Big East and the ACC end up merging, KU will have made a major mistake accepting this deal.

I agree.

This contract (not unlike the last one, really) is about Texas.

I still think 16 team conferences are inevitable, whether it happens in a couple weeks or a couple years. This could be a good deal to bide time, but I would expect to go through all this again before too long.
 
Here's an article from CNBC

http://www.cnbc.com/id/37636000?__source=RSS*blog*&par=RSS

Barry Frank knows more about TV rights money than just about anyone. And the executive vice president for IMG Media who has negotiated a slew of television deals in his years in the business has this to say about adding the 16-team conference that is developing with the Pac-10: The math might not work.

Here's why.

First of all, Frank explains, each team isn't equal in terms of the money they can bring in to the conference. In fact, not many teams—including Colorado, the only one who has thus far accepted a bid to leave the Big XII for the Pac-10—pay for themselves.

"Texas does and that's why they'll get paid a bigger share of the television money if they move, just like they received a bigger share in the Big XII," said Frank, who negotiated the new BCS deal with ESPN in 2008 and the new ACC football and basketball rights deal, a bidding war also won by ESPN.

Then comes the fact that, with more teams, rights fees might not increase enough for a 16-team split to make sense for the conference.

Right now, the Pac-10 TV deal, which expires in two seasons, pays teams $96 million total. The conference has thrown out the idea that, with the new teams, the package will automatically double. But how much bigger can the deal really get?

For comparison's sake, the Big XII is pulling in $72 million a year (though its Fox Sports Net component expires after the 2012 season). The ACC's deal is worth $155 million a year, the SEC brings in $205 million a year and the Big Ten's total coffers are worth about $220 million a year.

"People have to remember that the way the cable channels decide how much they can pay is by determining if they can increase their subscriber fee or advertising," Frank said. "ESPN already has the highest fee out there, so the cable operators aren't paying anymore there and there's probably not much growth in advertising either."
Why? Because if the new teams play in a split conference that is essentially the old Big XII plus Arizona and Arizona State, there aren't that many more games that will draw much bigger ratings than the old Pac-10 did.

With ESPN out of the picture, Frank says Fox—in Fox Sports Net, its current partner, and FX, which is transitioning into a weekend sports channel — is the most likely option to grow fees. Frank says there's a chance that cable operators will pay 25 to 50 cents more per subscriber to those channels that could lead to more money.
Then there's all that buzz about starting a new TV network. The partner is likely to be Fox, which currently is partners with the Big Ten in its network. That means there would be one check being cut to the league for both the outside deal and the network partnership with no competition in the marketplace.

Something also kept out of the public conversations thus far, Frank said, is the fact that starting up a network includes a huge monetary investment by the schools.
"It's great to have a 24-hour network," Frank said. "But you also have to realize, it costs about $25,000 to broadcast that volleyball game or $60,000 to do the track meet."

For the Big XII teams themselves that are considering the jump with Colorado already gone (Texas, Texas Tech, Texas A&M, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State), the deal seems worth it. Even with more to divvy up, they'll likely earn more than what they make in the current Big XII.

It might not work out as well for the the Pac-10's current partners as adding Texas to Colorado and closing up shop might make the most sense for each team to be able to pull in the most money.

Frank said that each team will be paid by the Pac-10 in TV money what the new conference thinks they are worth and that's where this will either turn into being a good or bad deal for the conference. Bottom line is, some teams don't add much value. They'll be paid a smaller percentage of what might be a bigger pie, which also would have to be split in 16 pieces.

"It's getting more technical every day," Frank said. "There's a great deal of math going on and it's very sophisticated."

From a television standpoint, and that's where the money is obviously coming from, Frank seems a little surprised at all the talk of movement, which in the end, might just be fool's gold.

Does Nebraska's likely move to the Big Ten make sense for the conference, considering the fact that there would be another partner to split with?

"Probably not," Frank said.

And how about the talk of the Texas A&M to the SEC?

"That's not worth it to the SEC either," Frank said. "I can't imagine adding a team that would improve on what they already have."
 
It looks like this had less to do with anything Beebe, Joe C or Dodd did and more to do with outside forces trying to stop conference expansion. That could explan how the Big X is getting a bigger TV contract than logic would dictate.


Source: Influential group saved Big 12

In an unprecedented move, a number of influential people inside and outside of college athletics mobilized over the past week to save the Big 12 Conference, stave off the Pac-10's move to expand to 16 schools and prevent a massive reorganization of college athletics.

A high-level NCAA source with direct knowledge of what occurred told ESPN.com that the aggressiveness of the Pac-10 caused various factions of the collegiate sports world to coalesce. They then worked to slow and try to stop the pace of moves that would have left a number schools searching for a new conference home.

The source said the people involved were business executives, conference commissioners, athletic directors, network executives with ties throughout college athletics, administrators at many levels throughout the NCAA membership and a "fair number of them without a dog in the hunt."

According to the source, this collection of interested and influential people made phone calls, visited in person and held conference calls with the Big 12 schools that were being pursued, including Texas, as well as Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe. The influential group also helped broker the new television deal between Texas [and the other schools considering leaving the conference] and Beebe, who represented the remaining Big 12 schools.

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