Tony Mitchell ruled Ineligible at Mizzou
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He has not been ruled ineligible yet. His case is still under review by the NCAA. But because Mizzou's fall enrollment deadline has passed he won't be able to join the team this fall regardless. If the NCAA does rule him eligible he can still join the team at the semester (which means his first game would likely be right around Christmas, a couple weeks before the start of conference play).
But Sawyer I thought you told all of us in an long epic of a thread that the Mitchell situation reported by the TV station had nothing to do with his NCAA eligibility. Why is he not eligible then? Call me confused.
i don't recall sawyer's post, but he was right. the ncaa doesn't care about dallas pinkston's credit transfer policy or his attendance record. he could (perhaps still can?) qualify regardless of any possible impropriety on the part of the pinkston admin. with regard to letting mitchell play hs bball last year.
no one has released exactly why, and likely no one will (although the talk about him prepping for a semester and arriving in december would suggest that some combination of his core GPA or test score could be improved enough in a semester to render him eligible).
also, my understanding is that mitchell has appealed the decision, so there is still a chance he could be declared eligible.
the point sawyer made, was that the ncaa was simply evaluating mitchell like any other potential student athlete. a process that has nothing to do with some dallas reporter alleging that pinkston played him when he should not have eligible. mitchell's eligibility to play at pinkston has little to do with his eligibility to play at mu.
his decision was very likely returned late because his paperwork was very likely submitted late. fans always want to complain about the ncaa being slow to rule on some high profile recruit or other; in most cases, they're slow because the required documentation is submitted late or is incomplete.
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NCAA eligibility has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not Dallas public schools accept transfer credit from a private school accredited by the state of Florida, which is what the local news story was about (and for what it's worth, the credits eventually were accepted and he has graduated).
To answer your question, cheno (so why is he ineligible?)... he's not. Not yet, anyway. His case is still under review. And like sys said, no one knows exactly what the issue is or when it will be resolved. There are a lot of possibilities, but if it was a simple GPA/ACT issue it wouldn't take this long, so I suspect those are both fine.
The NCAA either got his paperwork too late to process (which wouldn't surprise me considering he went to several schools, and they all seem to be a mess), or they are checking into the individual core classes he took to make sure they meet their standards. It's not a situation where he'd have to go to a prep school for a semester to improve anything. I think he'll just have to wait on the decision. I think the NCAA has a rule about needing to get all core credits done within eight semesters, anyway, so all he could improve would be his ACT.
For what it's worth, Mizzou signed a football recruit (Chris Freeman) in the 2009 class, but he never made it here for apparent academic reasons. He spent a semester at a prep school that ended up going under and didn't really do much of anything to improve his grades. A year later he shows up out of nowhere after being cleared by the NCAA... who just hadn't had all the paperwork they needed. His grades/test scores were high enough. It was just a paperwork issue.
I suspect it comes down to whether or not the NCAA is going to accept the credits he received in Miami. The state of Florida recognizes it as a legit school. Dallas public schools do not, but will allow students to recover the credit by taking a test. Frank Martin seemed to think the school was legit (pretty sure ksu was behind his initial placement there when he was a ksu commit; Martin is a Miami guy). If Mitchell really does have a qualifying ACT score, did pass legit tests for credit in the classes he took in Miami and does have an acceptable GPA in his other core classes, I see no reason why he should be declared ineligible. But we'll see what the NCAA chooses to do.
To answer your question, cheno (so why is he ineligible?)... he's not. Not yet, anyway. His case is still under review. And like sys said, no one knows exactly what the issue is or when it will be resolved. There are a lot of possibilities, but if it was a simple GPA/ACT issue it wouldn't take this long, so I suspect those are both fine.
The NCAA either got his paperwork too late to process (which wouldn't surprise me considering he went to several schools, and they all seem to be a mess), or they are checking into the individual core classes he took to make sure they meet their standards. It's not a situation where he'd have to go to a prep school for a semester to improve anything. I think he'll just have to wait on the decision. I think the NCAA has a rule about needing to get all core credits done within eight semesters, anyway, so all he could improve would be his ACT.
For what it's worth, Mizzou signed a football recruit (Chris Freeman) in the 2009 class, but he never made it here for apparent academic reasons. He spent a semester at a prep school that ended up going under and didn't really do much of anything to improve his grades. A year later he shows up out of nowhere after being cleared by the NCAA... who just hadn't had all the paperwork they needed. His grades/test scores were high enough. It was just a paperwork issue.
I suspect it comes down to whether or not the NCAA is going to accept the credits he received in Miami. The state of Florida recognizes it as a legit school. Dallas public schools do not, but will allow students to recover the credit by taking a test. Frank Martin seemed to think the school was legit (pretty sure ksu was behind his initial placement there when he was a ksu commit; Martin is a Miami guy). If Mitchell really does have a qualifying ACT score, did pass legit tests for credit in the classes he took in Miami and does have an acceptable GPA in his other core classes, I see no reason why he should be declared ineligible. But we'll see what the NCAA chooses to do.
I'm even more confused. Is the kid eligible or not. The thread says he's ineligible. Mizzou fan says he's not.
This is why kids should go to real schools...take real classes...and go to the school they are supposed to go to. This mess of kids going to different schools all the time, flying all over the country to different schools is out of control. High school, AAU and college athletics has become a mockery of the education system and the term "amateurism".
This is why kids should go to real schools...take real classes...and go to the school they are supposed to go to. This mess of kids going to different schools all the time, flying all over the country to different schools is out of control. High school, AAU and college athletics has become a mockery of the education system and the term "amateurism".
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The NCAA hasn't released a statement. No one with first-hand information on this (Mitchell, his family or Mizzou) has said anything about him being ruled ineligible. Jerry Meyer did say he was ineligible, but he heard that from a former AAU coach, which is a level or two removed from the process. It would be easy to mistake "can't enroll at Mizzou right now" for "ineligible" if you're hearing it second or third hand.
Regarding the NCAA and reversing decisions, didn't they just do that with Barton at Memphis? Or did they just unexpectedly rule in his favor in the first place? I've heard his case is very similar to Mitchell's.
Regarding the NCAA and reversing decisions, didn't they just do that with Barton at Memphis? Or did they just unexpectedly rule in his favor in the first place? I've heard his case is very similar to Mitchell's.
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Mitchell did pass tests for credit earned at the small private school (passed them multiple times after they came under scrutiny) and passed all the state-required graduation tests. Athletics aren't making any more of a mockery out of the education system than the education system is making a mockery out of itself. If a player can do all that and still jump through all the requisite hoops for graduation, how are athletics to blame?
Do you think a Band member has the same advantages or gets the same loopholes than the football and basketball players?
Didn't Mitchell pass like 5-6 courses and a couple years of school in a two day "testing" time frame or something? You're telling me that would have happened for the Band member? That must be one helluva tuba player.
If you don't think high school, AAU & college athletics are becomingly more and more a joke than I guess we disagree.
The people who use to comment about how they hated the NBA and only watched college because it was "pure" don't have a leg to stand on these days.
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In high school? Yes. Kids participating in extracurricular activities are given liberties other students aren't to accommodate their schedules, and there's nothing wrong with that.
Mitchell did earn credit for several courses by taking tests in a few hours. And he then passed the same tests again after they came under scrutiny. The tests were given per board policy and would have been used for any student in his situation attempting to recover credit that didn't transfer.
Colleges have always accepted people with questionable academic backgrounds, and not just athletes. Anyone with the right connections can and will get into any school, regardless of their individual merit. This isn't a new phenomenon.
Mitchell did earn credit for several courses by taking tests in a few hours. And he then passed the same tests again after they came under scrutiny. The tests were given per board policy and would have been used for any student in his situation attempting to recover credit that didn't transfer.
Colleges have always accepted people with questionable academic backgrounds, and not just athletes. Anyone with the right connections can and will get into any school, regardless of their individual merit. This isn't a new phenomenon.
Especially at Mizzou huh?:clap
I guess if you know someone that can pretend they are you and take the ACT/SAT for you to get you eligible then its A-OK.
I doubt it unless Mizzou specifically has some kind of institutional rule against it. It's not against an NCAA rule.
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Mizzou has already released a statement about this. Mitchell will not be able to enroll at Mizzou for this semester. The deadline was August 30. Cheno is right that it's not an NCAA issue, though. It varies from school to school (see: Markieff and Marcus Morris enrolling more than two weeks after classes began in 2008).
Cheno, I think you're wrong on some of the academic fraud details, though. The kansas assistants the NCAA found guilty of providing test answers to recruits weren't helping with the ACT or SAT. They were correspondence courses juco players needed to graduate. That is what you're talking about, right?
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