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[badger]

Is this by position, or is it just the top five players that make All Big 12?

I could see Osby missing out if someone was rated higher at his position, but he has to be among the top 5 Big 12 players this year, right?

 

[Soonerman]

Haha, the Tramel tin foil hat stuff is pretty funny. Not everyone is out to get us, folks. I don't think he's too bad myself.

As for Osby, he deserves to be a first teamer, but he's not a lock for it simply because he's underrated on an underrated team like someone already said. Osby strikes me as the kind of guy who doesn't care about individual accolades, and if he does care, not making it will only motivate him to be more beastly IMO. Which is fine by me. :dance005:

 

[Chaser728]

FWIW, this is what Jason King thinks about the all Big 12 team. You have to go to the bottom of the page to find out:
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bas...ther-honors-regular-season-college-basketball

Also there are some other good things about OU in here as well.

 

[campbest]

Yes, with an intangible or two thrown in, perhaps (though that can be a slippery slope). If a great player is surrounded by lousy talent, but he does everything he can do to help his team win and it shows in the numbers (but not in the win column), how is he not all-conference-worthy?

That would make Pierre Jackson over McGruder. Except Pierre has been unable to get Baylor going while McGruder has his team tied for first with a new coach. It's also dependent on how a team runs their offense, etc. If Withey played for OU, I can guarantee he would have more than two games in conference where he had double digit shot attempts...which is what has happened to Withey (one of those was a double OT game as well). He has taken 16 shots in the last four games.

Withey/McLemore/one of the OSU players are the only locks. I think Osby is fourth in the pecking order.

 

[skyvue]

That would make Pierre Jackson over McGruder. Except Pierre has been unable to get Baylor going while McGruder has his team tied for first with a new coach

That presumes that Jackson's responsible for Baylor's underwhelming results and that McGruder is the reason KSU hasn't missed a beat. Both may be true, but by the same token, neither may be.

It's not as though Jackson achieved his success by being a me-first guy -- he leads the conference in assists, too. What more can he do? And if we're talking about intangibles and leadership, that's just one more argument in favor of Osby, who is undeniably his team's leader.

 

[WTSooner]

That would make Pierre Jackson over McGruder. Except Pierre has been unable to get Baylor going while McGruder has his team tied for first with a new coach. It's also dependent on how a team runs their offense, etc. If Withey played for OU, I can guarantee he would have more than two games in conference where he had double digit shot attempts...which is what has happened to Withey (one of those was a double OT game as well). He has taken 16 shots in the last four games.

Withey/McLemore/one of the OSU players are the only locks. I think Osby is fourth in the pecking order.

Agreed. Right or wrong, the standings play a role in this, and things like shot attempts and "roles" factor in as well.

 

[propoke]

That would make Pierre Jackson over McGruder. Except Pierre has been unable to get Baylor going while McGruder has his team tied for first with a new coach. It's also dependent on how a team runs their offense, etc. If Withey played for OU, I can guarantee he would have more than two games in conference where he had double digit shot attempts...which is what has happened to Withey (one of those was a double OT game as well). He has taken 16 shots in the last four games.

Withey/McLemore/one of the OSU players are the only locks. I think Osby is fourth in the pecking order.

Smart is a lock. He may be the conference POY, depending on these last 2 games. Every coach and media member in the Big 12 heap praise on him every chance they get. Withey and McLemore are locks IMO. I think the last 2 positions will be filled by either Osby, McGruder or Brown. I think Brown is a little behind the other 2 right now.

 

[skyvue]

Smart is a lock. He may be the conference POY, depending on these last 2 games. Every coach and media member in the Big 12 heap praise on him every chance they get.

Yes, they do -- and some of them had even seen him play more than once or twice when they gushed over him.

Look, Smart's a terrific player, but he came with hype and he'll leave with hype, and he would have had to been a major bust (which he obviously hasn't been) for that hype to ever slow down.

In the first Bedlam matchup, Fran and the other guy delivered one of the most one-sided broadcasts I've ever witnessed, and most of the fuss was over Smart -- even though it was one of his least impressive efforts (due in large part to foul trouble). I mean, with the Sooners up double digits late, they were showing a Smart highlight reel.

As fine a freshman year as he's had, the fact that he's considered a lock for the all-conference team but Osby isn't is, in part at least, due to hype.

 

[campbest]

Smart is a lock. He may be the conference POY, depending on these last 2 games. Every coach and media member in the Big 12 heap praise on him every chance they get. Withey and McLemore are locks IMO. I think the last 2 positions will be filled by either Osby, McGruder or Brown. I think Brown is a little behind the other 2 right now.

Smart will not be POY, almost a certainty at this point.

 

[BoulderSooner]

from ESPN jason king mcgruder mclemore osby smart and withey second team brown ejim jackson releford and rodriguez

withey POY weber COY pledger most underrated smart freshman of the year in conf and nationaly

smart and withey are 2nd team AA mclemore and mcgruder are 3rd team AA

withey national DPOY also

 

[opsooner]

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As fine a freshman year as he's had, the fact that he's considered a lock for the all-conference team but Osby isn't is, in part at least, due to hype.

No doubt about that. This would be true even if we had won at OSU.

 

[152219]

That presumes that Jackson's responsible for Baylor's underwhelming results and that McGruder is the reason KSU hasn't missed a beat. Both may be true, but by the same token, neither may be.

It's not as though Jackson achieved his success by being a me-first guy -- he leads the conference in assists, too. What more can he do? And if we're talking about intangibles and leadership, that's just one more argument in favor of Osby, who is undeniably his team's leader.

Look at the high number of shots Jackson takes to get his points, in particular look at his FG% in Big 12 contests. He is far from efficient even for a guard

 

[OUsky]

Osby is a lock.

 

[luckyc1423]

I agree that some overreacted -- it's definitely not an anti-OU/pro-oswho-KU story at all.

But it's a lazy-ass effort on Tramel's part. He offers no convincing evidence for why his four all-conference locks are locks.

• Smart -- intangibles (which Osby also has in spades--he's the heart and soul of this Sooner squad)
• McGruder -- 15.9 points per game (Osby's outscoring him at 17.2 ppg)
• McLemore -- leads KU with 17.1 ppg in conference (see above)
• Withey -- 14.2 points and 8.9 rebounds per game (Osby's averaging the aforementioned 17.2 ppg and 7.1 rebounds)

So why are we to meekly accept that those players are locks to be selected over Osby?

Tramel should challenge the conventional wisdom rather than merely parroting it.

I have no problem at all with those four making it. Whitney in my opinion changes the game in other ways than the stat column.

I believe those 4 plus osby will round the 5 out.