Tv in Okc ??

[SoonerNorm]

Yeah, and in MY opinion, the non-call on Nicole was entirely justified. If you go stop-action you will see that Nicole went straight up, and did NOT make contact with Baker. Baker tried to buy a trip to the charity stripe, by flopping, pure and simple. And then, with no whistle, she grabbed Nicole's foot and tried to trip her out of frustration.

That is what I saw. But then I'm not always trying to bend over backwards to see the other team's point of view...

If you want to believe that Nicole didn't jump into Baker, it's perfectly okay with me. Iif one of their girls had done the exact same thing to one of our girls, Sherri, most of the Sooner fans, including me would have all been screaming about the no call.

 

[35TangoTango]

If you want to believe that Nicole didn't jump into Baker, it's perfectly okay with me. Iif one of their girls had done the exact same thing to one of our girls, Sherri, most of the Sooner fans, including me would have all been screaming about the no call.

You seem to be the only one on either side that saw it that way. No comments to that effect on the Lady Raider's message board. Having watched it again (just because of what you said), there's not even close to contact. The only TT gripes were where they thought Nicole was kicking Baker when she was down (actually, Nicole was trying to free her foot from Baker's death grip); also the simultaneous call where Smalls fouled JoAnne's elbow with her face.

 

[SoonerNorm]

you seem to be the only one on either side that saw it that way. No comments to that effect on the lady raider's message board. Having watched it again (just because of what you said), there's not even close to contact. the only tt gripes were where they thought nicole was kicking baker when she was down (actually, nicole was trying to free her foot from baker's death grip); also the simultaneous call where smalls fouled joanne's elbow with her face.

Really???

 

[m9r]

If you want to believe that Nicole didn't jump into Baker, it's perfectly okay with me. Iif one of their girls had done the exact same thing to one of our girls, Sherri, most of the Sooner fans, including me would have all been screaming about the no call.

Ummm yeah, nobody on the sooner bench would've been dumb enough to run a quick play for an 18% 3-point shooter to take a game tying shot. Griffin didnt leave her feet so she couldnt have jumped into baker. Baker tried to pull a D.Adams flop. At least adams would've made it if we had a brain fart and we left her wide open. However Baker wasn't being guarded beyond the arc for a very good reason. She cant shoot. We wanted her to take that shot baker's arm hook grab of griffin's foot was funny. I mean really, wtf? Griffin usually gets the no call because she doesnt leave her feet and stays straight up and down. She also does a good job of staying away from the person driving to the hole so she can block it with her long arms. I think griffin has learned a lot from griner.

 

[SoonerNorm]

Ummm yeah, nobody on the sooner bench would've been dumb enough to run a quick play for an 18% 3-point shooter to take a game tying shot. Griffin didnt leave her feet so she couldnt have jumped into baker. Baker tried to pull a D.Adams flop. At least adams would've made it if we had a brain fart and we left her wide open. However Baker wasn't being guarded beyond the arc for a very good reason. She cant shoot. We wanted her to take that shot baker's arm hook grab of griffin's foot was funny. I mean really, wtf? Griffin usually gets the no call because she doesnt leave her feet and stays straight up and down. She also does a good job of staying away from the person driving to the hole so she can block it with her long arms. I think griffin has learned a lot from griner.

Look at the 2:48 mark and you will see Nicole in the air. When she came down she collided with Baker which knocked Baker to the floor.

Yes, it was pretty bizarre how Baker grabbed Nicole by the foot. Nicole was definitely not trying to kick her, she was trying to get free.

 

[bballfam]

You seem to be the only one on either side that saw it that way. No comments to that effect on the Lady Raider's message board. Having watched it again (just because of what you said), there's not even close to contact. The only TT gripes were where they thought Nicole was kicking Baker when she was down (actually, Nicole was trying to free her foot from Baker's death grip); also the simultaneous call where Smalls fouled JoAnne's elbow with her face.

Smalls complained that she was elbowed by Joanna after Smalls' foul so the refs reviewed it. Review showed contact was with shoulder no elbow.

Baker grabbed Nicole's foot. One can only speculate whether it was to stop Nicole from running down the court or protect herself; however, I would think if you were protecting yourself, covering your head would have been the better option.

 

[BlackwellSooner]

If you want to believe that Nicole didn't jump into Baker, it's perfectly okay with me. Iif one of their girls had done the exact same thing to one of our girls, Sherri, most of the Sooner fans, including me would have all been screaming about the no call.

Look at the action at the 2:48 mark and forward. If you take the time to REALLY look, you will see that Nicole went straight up, and came straight down, arms above her head. If you will further note, Baker went up to take the shot and released the ball about 12" outside of the top of the key.

If you continue to freeze-frame, you will see that Baker, continued her forward momentum, attempting to leap into Nicole. If there was contact, which I do not concede, it would have been initiated by Baker, as the point at which she flops to the floor is about a foot inside the top of the key, proving that she was jumping into Nicole, who never advanced beyond her initial vertical reaching up.

You are wrong about Griffin "should have been called for the 3 point foul". Wrong.

 

[SoonerNorm]

Look at the action at the 2:48 mark and forward. If you take the time to REALLY look, you will see that Nicole went straight up, and came straight down, arms above her head. If you will further note, Baker went up to take the shot and released the ball about 12" outside of the top of the key.

If you continue to freeze-frame, you will see that Baker, continued her forward momentum, attempting to leap into Nicole. If there was contact, which I do not concede, it would have been initiated by Baker, as the point at which she flops to the floor is about a foot inside the top of the key, proving that she was jumping into Nicole, who never advanced beyond her initial vertical reaching up.

You are wrong about Griffin "should have been called for the 3 point foul". Wrong.

I had a friend of mine who happens to be a ref look at the video. His response was, "of course Nicole fouled the shooter". He didn't think it was a close call and he was shocked when I told him that no foul was called.

 

[sybarite]

I had a friend of mine who happens to be a ref look at the video. His response was, "of course Nicole fouled the shooter". He didn't think it was a close call and he was shocked when I told him that no foul was called.

It doesn't surprise me that you know an incompetent ref. Must work for the Big Twelve.

 

[SoonerNorm]

It doesn't surprise me that you know an incompetent ref. Must work for the Big Twelve.

So, you think you know more than the refs?

 

[SoonerNorm]

Look at the action at the 2:48 mark and forward. If you take the time to REALLY look, you will see that Nicole went straight up, and came straight down, arms above her head. If you will further note, Baker went up to take the shot and released the ball about 12" outside of the top of the key.

If you continue to freeze-frame, you will see that Baker, continued her forward momentum, attempting to leap into Nicole. If there was contact, which I do not concede, it would have been initiated by Baker, as the point at which she flops to the floor is about a foot inside the top of the key, proving that she was jumping into Nicole, who never advanced beyond her initial vertical reaching up.

You are wrong about Griffin "should have been called for the 3 point foul". Wrong.

If you watched the OU men play Texas, you saw Pledger do the same thing (although not as blatant) as Nicole and he WAS called for the foul which was ultimately the difference in the game. The saying is, "you never foul a jump shooter and certainly not one shooting a three".

 

[35TangoTango]

The saying is, "you never foul a jump shooter and certainly not one shooting a three".

And Nicole never did. No one from either OU or Tech thinks she did except for you and your phantom ref.

 

[SoonerNorm]

And Nicole never did. No one from either OU or Tech thinks she did except for you and your phantom ref.

Haha! Not true, I've had 4 messages from people on this board (some who do not post) who wrote to say that Griffin certainly fouled Baker. One asked where could get those thick Crimson colored glasses.

 

[35TangoTango]

Haha! Not true, I've had 4 messages from people on this board (some who do not post) who wrote to say that Griffin certainly fouled Baker. One asked where could get those thick Crimson colored glasses.

Well, in spite of Blackwell Sooner's frame by frame analysis, I'm sure you and your invisible friends and invisible referee are right and all the real posters from various boards along with the real officials who refereed the real game are wrong. You have made your point.

 

[MsProudSooner]

People who can do no wrong in Norm's world:

1) Kim Mulkey
2) Basketball Officials

(It's a joke. No need to accuse me or anyone else of thinking Sherri can do no wrong.)

 

[sybarite]

So, you think you know more than the refs?

While I can't be sure that I know more than an incompetent ref, I can be reasonably certain that I have a better grasp of the concept of integrity.

 

[SoonerNorm]

I do not see anyone even trying to make the argument that Nicole didn't jump. I also do not understand anyone making the argument that Nicole didn't jump into Baker. But, IF someone wanted to make the argument that Baker was not in the act of shooting at the time of the contact (an argument no one has made) then I would say that argument has merit. One could say because the ball had already left her hands and therefore the act of shooting had ended. Others will say (this is my belief as a well as the ref friend I spoke with) that the act of shooting continues until the shooters feet return to the floor (only applies to jump shots). I do not believe Bakers feet had returned to tbe cloor but others might see that differently. Now, if the act of shooting had ended, Baker would still have been given a 1 and 1 from the line (I think they were in the bonus at that time) which was not a huge problem because we lead by 4 points. If the foul was called in the act of shooting, she would have shot 3 free throws making it theoretically possible for them to make the first 2 free throws, intentionally miss the third, grab the rebound and score to send the game to overtime.

 

[35TangoTango]

....I also do not understand anyone making the argument that Nicole didn't jump into Baker.....

You may not understand, but that is precisely the argument that everyone is making. It was also the judgement of the officials on the court.

 

[MsProudSooner]

As many people have often said after one of our players is hacked or knocked to the floor and no foul is called or walking is called - it's not a foul if the officials don't call it.

 

[BlackwellSooner]

I do not see anyone even trying to make the argument that Nicole didn't jump. I also do not understand anyone making the argument that Nicole didn't jump into Baker. But, IF someone wanted to make the argument that Baker was not in the act of shooting at the time of the contact (an argument no one has made) then I would say that argument has merit. One could say because the ball had already left her hands and therefore the act of shooting had ended. Others will say (this is my belief as a well as the ref friend I spoke with) that the act of shooting continues until the shooters feet return to the floor (only applies to jump shots). I do not believe Bakers feet had returned to tbe cloor but others might see that differently. Now, if the act of shooting had ended, Baker would still have been given a 1 and 1 from the line (I think they were in the bonus at that time) which was not a huge problem because we lead by 4 points. If the foul was called in the act of shooting, she would have shot 3 free throws making it theoretically possible for them to make the first 2 free throws, intentionally miss the third, grab the rebound and score to send the game to overtime.

Let me repost a part of one of my earlier statements:

Look at the action at the 2:48 mark and forward. If you take the time to REALLY look, you will see that Nicole went straight up, and came straight down, arms above her head. If you will further note, Baker went up to take the shot and released the ball about 12" outside of the top of the key.

If you continue to freeze-frame, you will see that Baker, continued her forward momentum, attempting to leap into Nicole. If there was contact, which I do not concede, it would have been initiated by Baker, as the point at which she flops to the floor is about a foot inside the top of the key, proving that she was jumping into Nicole, who never advanced beyond her initial vertical reaching up.

Also, there was not a four point lead at the time, the score was 76-73.

Now, how is it possible for Nicole to jump straight up, and come straight down, landing in the same space, and still JUMP INTO BAKER???

As I said, Baker jumped into Griffin, since she launched the shot a foot outside of the top of the key, and (tried to) crash into Griffin so that she could flop and try to draw the foul.
No contact was made, save in the minds of a few people. Certainly not in the minds of the officials calling the game.

And to try to compare the Griffin-Baker situation with the Pledger foul in the Texas game is ludicrous. I actually agreed that Pledger probably earned that foul, since he left his feet and had forward impetus toward the Texas player.
The Griffin-Baker situation was wholly dissimilar, in that Griffin might have elevated 6 inches to a foot - - VERTICALLY - - and came back down in the original space. Baker moved forward over two feet from her original point of release, only to flop.

If you are too hard-headed to see this, then it's a waste of time to attempt further elucidation.