I agree. He does a nice job.
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I agree. He does a nice job.
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I didn't even realize until this morning looking at the box score... one of the more amazing stats from yesterday's game: OSU outrebounded KU by 10.
Again I think this is testament to Pilgrim's contribution.
Not only his individual stats, but just his presence allows us to get more quality minutes from Moses.
Again I think this is testament to Pilgrim's contribution.
Not only his individual stats, but just his presence allows us to get more quality minutes from Moses.
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If Collins doesn't start playing better there is no way KU gets to the Final Four much less win a National Championship.
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Agreed.
If Collins doesn't play like he is capable of playing, I'm not so sure they are the best team in their own state
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I said that when he was hired. Kid has been around good basketball, and good basketball coaches for A LOT of years.
What determines a good coach to me is a coach who has some upsets over top ranked (10-15) teams and whos team shows up every night. I can think of 3 upsets Ford has had over top 10 teams. Us, Kstate and KU.
They have had a few games where it didn't look like they showed up but he has had them playing better at the end of the year in both of his seasons. I have a feeling he will build the program back after ratboy tore it down.
They have had a few games where it didn't look like they showed up but he has had them playing better at the end of the year in both of his seasons. I have a feeling he will build the program back after ratboy tore it down.
I agree but Collins is the last guy I'm worried about. He'll get it going when the stakes are high. He has for 4 years. I'm just glad X and Taylor are playing better. They played well yesterday.
Jeff, Pilgrim is a stud. I really like his game. He gave Aldrich fits because he's a lot smaller and quicker. This is where OSU was smart going 4 guards and either Pilgrim/Moses. It actually made Aldrich ineffective. And really Aldrich only played 8 minutes 2nd half and when he was out KU was much more effective and outscored OSU double digits.
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OSU played lights out but I don't think KU played that well. They showed no urgancy till there was like 2 or 3 minutes left. And it was just too late by then. Kansas probably needs this game to get confidence for the rest of the season.
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Yeah... it still kills me that Pilgrim had to go all Perrish Cox and get himself suspended for that Texas game in Austin.
I just think we're better than them right now and would have beaten them down there with Pilgrim in the lineup.
Frustraiting.
And I agree about Aldrich.... he's one of those guys that seems to either just totally dominate or just get in the way, depending on the game.
This was a game where KU had very little to nothing to play for versus OSU having absolutely everything to play for. Not to take anything away from the great win, but let's get real this was OSU's superbowl. KU on other hand looked like a team that was already thinking about KSU on Wednesday.
To Ford being a "really good coach" I'll reserve judgement until the end of the season and then next season when he has even less of Sutton's recruits. OSU is likely to finish 9-7 in league play with an AA on the team. To me that is not "really good" it's just ok. Next year should be really interesting for OSU with no Anderson or Muonelo.
To Ford being a "really good coach" I'll reserve judgement until the end of the season and then next season when he has even less of Sutton's recruits. OSU is likely to finish 9-7 in league play with an AA on the team. To me that is not "really good" it's just ok. Next year should be really interesting for OSU with no Anderson or Muonelo.
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Of course suttons recruits are the better players on the team. Usually juniors and seniors are the best players on any team. Did you really expect the freshman to be superstars
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B.S. excuse. Kansas had MULTIPLE things to "play for"... a win would have clinched the Big 12 title and there's also the matter of an undefeated Big 12 season and the #1 overall seed in the NCAA tournament.
So don't give the lame excuse that KU didn't have anything to play for just to make yourself feel better about the OSU win.
And as for OSU being charged up to play #1 KU... of course they were. EVERYBODY IN THE LEAGUE gets amped up to play KU, but obviously that doesn't automatically translate to a win.
Kansas beat KSU in Manhattan (you don't think the Wildcats were just a little bit up for that game?), Texas A&M in College Station (on Big Monday) and Texas in Austin.
And let's be honest here... it's not like OSU snuck out a win like they did two years ago. OSU dominated that game from start to finish. It was a combination of good play and an excellent game plan by Ford.
And last year it was "let's see how he is next year without Eaton and Harris." That seemed to work out fine.
Last I checked, basketball isn't a 1 vs. 5 game. Yes, Anderson is the best player in the Big 12, but he's surrounded by Muenelo, plus a bunch of freshmen and sophomores. We're the youngest team in the Big 12.
Furthermore, we lost our starting point guard halfway through conference season.
I'd say that, given those obsticals, Ford has done a fine job this year.
There's no question he's a very good coach.
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I don't disagree with what you said Jeff. However, on the other side you knew that KU was going to lay an egg at some point on the same night where the other team played a great game. Most on the KU board saw this as a trap game, it's not that KU didn't have anything to play for but OSU definitely seized their opportunity with KU playing poorly. Much of it had to do with how OSU forced them to play but it also sat squarely on their own mistakes as well.
I do not think KU played that badly. OSU just had a marvelous game. I was a little suprised that we out rebounded them and outplayed them on the interior. I think we may have even led the points off of TO's stat. I know there will be some that claim we played above our heads but OSU has been a beast at home beginning with the OU game.
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I don't think KU played terrible but they didn't play well either. Like I said, they didn't play well combined with OSU playing a near perfect game and you are going to get spanked.
I saw this argument get defunked on the KU board when you brought it up. OSU is not young when you consider the players who actually play, but yeah go ahead and count those freshman who don't see the court to help your argument.
Secondly, I guess you never played or don't know too many college athletes. I can guarantee you that if you aske Cole or Sherron about going undefeated in conference they would have said it would have been nice but oh well. Like I said it means nothing. KU has their game on Wednesday that gives them everything thing they need which is winning the Big 12 and a 1 seed in the tournament. Losing to OSU did nothing to KU except maybe fall to 2 in the AP.
I'm going to enjoy blowing you up next year when OSU is sub .500 in conference. They are barely above .500 with an AA. Haha. Oh and quit with your weak argument of OSU is so young. They aren't.
A breakdown for you
Muonelo- Senior
Anderson -Junior
Pilgrim- Junior
Moses- Junior
Page - Sophomore
Gulley-Freshman
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