Where is Mulkey's outrage at Baylor Situation

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The ongoing cluster that is Baylor Athletics is trying to bring back
Art Briles.
What I want to do know is where is Mulkey as an alleged leader of
young women?
She should threaten to resign if massive changes are not made.
Her silence basically means she's complicit in all this crap.
She's apparently the only women leader on that campus. I guess.

I truly hope her silence on this issue comes back to haunt her in recruiting
down the road.
Why any female athlete would attend that school is beyond me.
 
The ongoing cluster that is Baylor Athletics is trying to bring back
Art Briles.
What I want to do know is where is Mulkey as an alleged leader of
young women?
She should threaten to resign if massive changes are not made.
Her silence basically means she's complicit in all this crap.
She's apparently the only women leader on that campus. I guess.

I truly hope her silence on this issue comes back to haunt her in recruiting
down the road.
Why any female athlete would attend that school is beyond me.

I agree. For that matter, what about all the other coaches of women's sports? Reading the posts of Baylor fans trying to rationalize their way out of this situation is nauseating.
 
Provide me with any evidence from the past that suggests that Kim Mulkey has any moral compass or ethical standards.

Would that be that she never seems to have observed little things like one of her players hitting an opponent until she has time to study it or the discovery of which is mandated due to public outcry? Even then, is her response rather typical of what we have been discussing concerning the Briles and Baylor attitude to exposure that the incident was somehow justified? Griner should not have been provoked. Sims should not have been provoked. Williams should not have been provoked. The girls should not have forced the football players to rape them. If there is a difference, I'm having difficulty seeing it.

When Voepel and Jenkins made their observations, it is clear that they regarded the Mulkey violations as serious (the NCAA in their usual head-in-the-sand response ignoring the severity). Their lament was that it was the same thing that was occurring in men's sport, and they hated to see it become a part of women's sport.

But, the constant conflict on this board is exactly this issue. There are those of us who view Baylor (Mulkey, Briles, Starr, Bliss, whomever) as having a twisted sense of values. But, it is the fan base that makes this not only possible, but inevitable. When winning becomes more important than values or education, somehow no violation is seen to have occurred until someone catches you. Then, you find some sort of moral outrage and an investigative council that finds what has been obvious all along. The findings are usually ignored, and the activity will be resumed as soon as nobody is looking because it is inevitable when winning becomes the prime directive.

It is interesting that a thread that celebrates the honor given to Sherri Coale as a Hall of Fame coach has a post which laments that OU has fallen behind Baylor, Texas, etc., in recruiting. Right in the middle of this debacle in Waco (Koresh may not have been the most absurd thing to come out of Waco), Baylor is held up as an example of anything? The thing that resulted in Baylor finding itself the spectacle of depravity is exactly what Mulkey and others who live openly in this AAU recruiting cesspool have established. And, you lament that OU is not a part of this?

Now, every time a young woman agrees to play for a Baylor or similar school, I begin to question why. Why would you want to participate in such slime? Do you not see it? Have you not been paying attention? You are now associated with a team that has thrown a punch breaking an opponent's jaw, as well as actually having pulled an opponent's hair, the only time I've heard of that. That is some kind of character. And, you want to be associated with that?

You may have had the opportunity to play with a Hall of Fame coach, one whom other Hall of Fame coaches like Conradt, Sharp, and Auriemma have held up as an example of quality and what basketball should be about. But, you chose to go to Baylor? Perhaps, you should wear black.
 
Provide me with any evidence from the past that suggests that Kim Mulkey has any moral compass or ethical standards.

Would that be that she never seems to have observed little things like one of her players hitting an opponent until she has time to study it or the discovery of which is mandated due to public outcry? Even then, is her response rather typical of what we have been discussing concerning the Briles and Baylor attitude to exposure that the incident was somehow justified? Griner should not have been provoked. Sims should not have been provoked. Williams should not have been provoked. The girls should not have forced the football players to rape them. If there is a difference, I'm having difficulty seeing it.

When Voepel and Jenkins made their observations, it is clear that they regarded the Mulkey violations as serious (the NCAA in their usual head-in-the-sand response ignoring the severity). Their lament was that it was the same thing that was occurring in men's sport, and they hated to see it become a part of women's sport.

But, the constant conflict on this board is exactly this issue. There are those of us who view Baylor (Mulkey, Briles, Starr, Bliss, whomever) as having a twisted sense of values. But, it is the fan base that makes this not only possible, but inevitable. When winning becomes more important than values or education, somehow no violation is seen to have occurred until someone catches you. Then, you find some sort of moral outrage and an investigative council that finds what has been obvious all along. The findings are usually ignored, and the activity will be resumed as soon as nobody is looking because it is inevitable when winning becomes the prime directive.

It is interesting that a thread that celebrates the honor given to Sherri Coale as a Hall of Fame coach has a post which laments that OU has fallen behind Baylor, Texas, etc., in recruiting. Right in the middle of this debacle in Waco (Koresh may not have been the most absurd thing to come out of Waco), Baylor is held up as an example of anything? The thing that resulted in Baylor finding itself the spectacle of depravity is exactly what Mulkey and others who live openly in this AAU recruiting cesspool have established. And, you lament that OU is not a part of this?

Now, every time a young woman agrees to play for a Baylor or similar school, I begin to question why. Why would you want to participate in such slime? Do you not see it? Have you not been paying attention? You are now associated with a team that has thrown a punch breaking an opponent's jaw, as well as actually having pulled an opponent's hair, the only time I've heard of that. That is some kind of character. And, you want to be associated with that?

You may have had the opportunity to play with a Hall of Fame coach, one whom other Hall of Fame coaches like Conradt, Sharp, and Auriemma have held up as an example of quality and what basketball should be about. But, you chose to go to Baylor? Perhaps, you should wear black.

I doubt that these young women or their parents are that up on what is happening. They may want to go to a school that is in state, a small school, a Southern Baptist school,
a school that is winning and are not aware of the negatives or don't believe the football team affects them and the incidents with Brittney have been a few years and they may not have known. If you ever read the twitter pages of OU WBB, they do not seem to be socially or politically aware. I kind of think young women getting recruited by Baylor are pretty insulated from many things in life BECAUSE their life is playing basketball. And they may like Kim. I have only seen a couple of players say anything negative and that was two former players who were lesbians and that seemed to be about their
sexual preference and feeling uncomfortable. So maybe the players actually like her. Maybe when she recruits, they like her. When they visit the school, they like it. I know Baylor has many alums who really like the school. I have a distant cousin who is 66 and she and her husband and friends really love
Baylor. She and her husband are Southern Baptist and pretty religious. I would think she would not be happy with the Briles situation. And didn't the
Chancellor or President of the university step down? Anyway, I imagine there
are many alum who still support the school but want the football department cleaned up. (not saying all)

EDIT: Also, do you see coaches at other schools saying anything when these incidents occur. Two women
on the rowing team at Kansas were allegedly raped by the same football player and they allegedly
were then discriminated against by their coach. There is a lawsuit that has been filed. Rape on college campuses is currently an epidemic and I bet it always has been, but now more women are telling. The thing is instead of going to the colleges, they NEED to go to the police. Though sometimes, depending upon the university, they don't fare any better with the police.

EDIT: I do believe every coach, professor, administrator at a school, where rapes are being reported but then it is discovered the incidents are not being pursued properly, should be outraged and should be speaking out. I have a feeling it is sometimes more complicated because of just all of the legal ramifications. BUT for sure, on every college campus coaches, professors and administrators should be
speaking out and the administration should be implementing better, more effective ways to address and
also doing things to make schools safer and implementing programs to change the environment which leads to these rapes. I mean LOOK at the former Stanford swimmer who only got a six month sentence and 3 years probation for sexually assaulting an unconcious woman outside a fraternity house by the dumpster (actually convicted of several felonies related to this incident) and will only spend 3 months behind bars. The prosecution asked for 6 years. The father's comment regarding the 6 months that "it was a steep price to pay for 20 minutes of action." WOW. It only takes a second to shoot a gun and kill someone so what would the dad suggest for that.

EDIT: FINAL, I hope. I want to add that I do not condone how the administration, the AD, or Briles handled these situations, NOR the fact that it took them so long to hire someone for Title IX. ONE thing I do believe
is that football leads to aggressiveness, violence, a sense of entitlement AND that they maybe they need programs in men's athletics to address this. I certainly know they need programs for teaching them about life WHEN THEY are drafted OR for a career when they leave the university. Universities make money from
these athletes (even if not from the actual games but it helps get people to the university and to get donations to other programs) and these young men often leave our universities no more educated in anyway than when they came in. OU is guilty of this too. Look at Adrian Peterson, he really hasn't got a clue. No way, I believe he could have passed any college class and he certainly has no way of knowing how to be an adult. I bet within 5 years of his career being over he will not have a dime. And he will probably have problems caused by head injuries.
 
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Not that I am condoning it, but Mulkey and other coaches of sports that are not self sufficient may be hesitant to criticize the hand that feeds them. That would be football whether it is Baylor, OU, and most others.
 
womenssports,
I appreciate your thoughtful response and edits.

My only counter is that at this point how can anyone on that campus be unaware of what is going on. How can Mulkey legitimately claim lack of information.

Perhaps in this one isolated instance syb is right. Mulkey doesn't have an ounce of integrity or any sense of a moral compass.
 
womenssports,
I appreciate your thoughtful response and edits.

My only counter is that at this point how can anyone on that campus be unaware of what is going on. How can Mulkey legitimately claim lack of information.

Perhaps in this one isolated instance syb is right. Mulkey doesn't have an ounce of integrity or any sense of a moral compass.

In my opinion, sybarite is right in assessing Baylor/Mulkey a majority of the time.
 
womenssports,
I appreciate your thoughtful response and edits.

My only counter is that at this point how can anyone on that campus be unaware of what is going on. How can Mulkey legitimately claim lack of information.

Perhaps in this one isolated instance syb is right. Mulkey doesn't have an ounce of integrity or any sense of a moral compass.

If I said that I thought Mulkey was unaware, then I definitely did not post my thoughts. Of course, she has to be aware. I will look back at my post.
 
In my opinion, sybarite is right in assessing Baylor/Mulkey a majority of the time.

Just to be clear, the part of his quote that I posted a counter
to was about the young women who go there and their parents. I do not know
if I agree a majority of the time with anyone who posts here
regarding Baylor or Mulkey; but I do think Syb puts up some good posts.
And regarding Baylor or Mulkey posts on the board, I believe I as often as
not stay out of those conversations because I am not going to persuade
anyone to see things differently.
 
womenssports,
I just think there's a positive role for Mulkey here and she's not using her significant prestige at Baylor..
 
womenssports,
I just think there's a positive role for Mulkey here and she's not using her significant prestige at Baylor..

Oh, like I said, I think every administrator, professor and coach should be
vocal and doing whatever they can to change this and though I don't know much about Baylor or what exactly her ranking is within the university (I mean behind the scenes, do they just tolerate because she wins, do she have clout and pull, and I understand that with her winning percentage it would seem that way but to clarify what I am saying.....There is do doubt that Sherri Coale has clout at the university, in the Norman community, in the state of Oklahoma and in college wbb; I am just not sure how much clout Mulkey has in the workings of Baylor. Still, yes she should be using what platform she has on this issue, I agree.
 
Let me get this straight. You are suggesting that Kim Mulkey might have a POSITIVE affect on the ethical standards of Baylor?

Did Rod Serling write this play?
 
Let me get this straight. You are suggesting that Kim Mulkey might have a POSITIVE affect on the ethical standards of Baylor?

Did Rod Serling write this play?

If this is a response to me, I am saying that everyone involved with the university should do what they can. Involving rape, maybe she could.

Like I said in a previous post, I seldom now get involved on this board in talking about Mulkey. I have no clue of her interactions or clout with the
rest of the school admins, professors, students, athletes. It is just a CRITICAL issue that needs to be addressed in a lot of different ways and a change in the rape cultures at colleges helped by all involved in the school, community, law enforcement.
 
Obviously, you have not examined the history of Kim Mulkey. Briles has done nothing that Kim wouldn't have done in his position, probably to a greater extent, and while taking her jacket off.
 
I think it was AtlantaSooner who used the words 'positive role'. I took it to mean there was an opportunity for Mulkey, or any other female in a position of authority at Baylor (if there are any) but none of them have asserted themselves in a positive way that might help the female students at Baylor.
 
MS, you are dead on.
there was and there is a positive role for Mulkey (i have yet to hear of any actual women in leadership at Baylor administratively which I'm guessing is a huge part of the problem).
She could use her power and voice to call for change. To demand action.
Instead, she is simply another authority allowing this deadly environment to continue at Baylor.
 
Obviously, you have not examined the history of Kim Mulkey. Briles has done nothing that Kim wouldn't have done in his position, probably to a greater extent, and while taking her jacket off.

So she has ignored rape, molestation, assault allegations of or by one of her players on campus? I do not believe we have seen anything that would suggest that? If there is history that says otherwise, I would like to hear the specifics so I could do research.
And I do not think Brittney's actions in a game are analogous to the rape allegations brought against Brile's football player(s)?
 
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So she has ignored rape, molestation, assault allegations of or by one of her players on campus? I do not believe we have seen anything that would suggest that? If there is history that says otherwise, I would like to hear the specifics so I could do research.
And I do not think Brittney's actions in a game are analogous to the rape allegations brought against Brile's football player(s)?

Well said Sy goes a little no---a lot oner the top.
 
So she has ignored rape, molestation, assault allegations of or by one of her players on campus? I do not believe we have seen anything that would suggest that? If there is history that says otherwise, I would like to hear the specifics so I could do research.
And I do not think Brittney's actions in a game are analogous to the rape allegations brought against Brile's football player(s)?

I would suggest that you examine the history of the activities of what Baylor players have done on court, things that were totally excused and justified Kim until after some other entity forced her hand. This is the exact behavior that we are observing from Briles, Starr, Bliss, etc. As long as you win, justify the behavior, blame the victim. The Griner incident, for example, was due to the Texas Tech "inciting" her, i.e., it was the victim's fault. Win at all costs, and defend your perpetrators until your hand is forced. Then, and only then, do you plead that their actions were not characteristic of you or your program.
 
womenssports,
I'm only talking about the time frame when the media reports started and since the
Pepper Hamilton brief was made public.
The moment that brief was published imho Mulkey as the only women campus leader with a
public voice has failed to act.
 
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