#10 OU at Mississippi St 6:30pm 1/9

[SoonerTalk405]

Turnovers and Turnovers… Thats the name of the game for OU WBB atm. Hopefully it will change as the more we play.

 

[SoonerTalk405]

SC is going to beat us by 20+

Im afraid you may be onto something… Until we see a ACTUAL Improvement on TO’s then yes I can see it happening otherwise.

 

[Soonerduca]

Verhaulst at the 1, joens at the 2, keys at the 3, vann or Sahara at the 4, and beers or Liz Scott at the 5. You have 3 great 3 point shooters who can all feed the post, and once they double are center. Are 3 point % will raise to over 40%. If you want to go with a defensive team play tot, Reyna, z vann, and kj. But you will have tons of turnovers and no perimeter shooting.

 

[Soonerinkc]

Verhaulst at the 1, joens at the 2, keys at the 3, vann or Sahara at the 4, and beers or Liz Scott at the 5. You have 3 great 3 point shooters who can all feed the post, and once they double are center. Are 3 point % will raise to over 40%. If you want to go with a defensive team play tot, Reyna, z vann, and kj. But you will have tons of turnovers and no perimeter shooting.

Maybe… prob is our unforced TO’s… just some seriously bone headed things.

Either angles, passing form ..(1 handed crazy throws), decisions (across court lobs)…unfortunately they’ve all made them.

They don’t value possessions because coach uses run/gun so they think they’ll get enough possessions. Problem is our avg 27ish avg TO’s in sec play negates that. That’s 27 less possessions, shots taken, etc.

Apparently coach isn’t happy but not sure they are actually working on anything.

 

[Soonerinkc]

We are 295th in TO’s… 19 per game.

IF, a big if, we take the last 3 games, avg 27, down to 16/17… score on half of the 10/11 non TO’s we beat horns and ms st… beat tenn by more than 1.

TO are the prob… period

 

[bob the nailer]

Horrible turnovers from ridiculous careless passes
Poor shooting especially from the 3
Why does Raegan play 2 1/2 min at start of game then sit for 5? Is she that poorly conditioned? And what has happened to Skylar? She has disappeared offensive.
If we keep playing like this we are in for a long season, a one game NCAA tournament at someone else's gym.

 

[womenssports]

I believe Jennie will take this team to at least the sweet l6, if no the elite 8. It takes time to turn a team around and believe she has done a great job.
I might see something that I feel should be done differently but I am not a coach and I am not with these players and coaches working at this job hours on hours almost every day. I trust Jennie.
As far as some player not producing the same offense, when the basic need of your position changes that can throw you game off. Anxious to watch the Tx A&M game.
Let's go sooners.

 

[womenssports]

Jennie B ain't it. OU has 2 terrible basketball coaches. Jennie B is better, but that is like being the tallest short person.

Agree to disagree. Thls team will be a sweet l6 because of Jennie, rest of staff and, of course, players. We were better than the no 5 team Tex, should have beat Tenn by more and were better than this team. We were just flat....off? Besides the turnovers, it seems the team needs to hit more free throws and that something needs to change in their play....as far as schematically.........but I am not a coach and do not really know. Still do not feel some of last year's starters are playing their best and it seems to be because their adjustment to Beers and then Liz being back. I imagine their benefit to the team has changed and that is probably a difficult thing to which to adapt.

As far as Jennie pulling Regan after two and a half minutes and putting her back in after five.........my guess is she got a foul and she did not want her to get two and sit out the entire first half. Regan did get a double double.........think nineteen points and ten rebounds.....................we have not been in the top ten since maybe 2011 and Jennie has done it in her fourth season..........yeah.......she is a keeper.

I like the men's coach too but it is much more difficult to build a men's eam at Oklahoma than a women's............still he seems like a good guy........don't know if he can bring in a winning team but think if he does. will take longer than a women's team

all just my humble opinion............I really do not get the denigration and almost hate that some posters seem to feel

 

[soonerstar]

could easily be 0-3 in conference games or be 3-0 also.

 

[Soonerguy06]

this team COULD be elite eight level IF they didn't play so carelessly, that's where the frustration comes in. Being happy/content with a Sweet 16 when you have Beers and Verhulst is silly IMO, we should expect more, but we continuously beat ourselves and that's our real handicap. Is it a matter of just not having players athletic enough or with enough basketball IQ to play the style JB wants? That's what I'm leaning towards - they just keep trying to make the same passes and moves that continue to result in TOs, so they're obviously trying to do more than they're capable of right now. If JB can turn this around and this team can regroup, then she deserves props, but I really have my doubts, based off of the last 3 seasons. Like I've said before, the difference between teams that have talent and promise to teams that actually win several games when they make the tourney is discipline and making smart decisions, and we are just so far from that it's not even funny. I have to take a step back and not watch for a while because it's so frustrating, but I hope for the best.

 

[cowboysooner]

I like Jennie as a coach and love the team. They play very hard and I appreciate the effort. I think they have a high ceiling. However, the constant mindless turnovers has necessitated me not watching them or listening to their games. I just keep checking the box score constantly through the game and keep up with it that way. This has made following them much more enjoyable for me. Probably safer for me too, the turnovers were blowing up my blood pressure even when we won.

I usually try and find highlights on youtube after the game which will let you watch the key plays. I know some of you are frustrated with the constant turnovers and, like with me, it detracts from the enjoyment of watching the game. You might try my approach. I like it. Hopefully, we will start playing a little smarter as the year goes on (we normally do) and I may try watching the games again.

The thing I like about Jennie the most as a coach is that, like Billy Tubbs, she does want anyone on the floor passing up an open shot that is within their skill set. 99% of all girls and boys coaches try and get a particular or better shot, and I just don't agree with that. Not surprisingly, and like with Tubbs teams, that freedom leads to the kids immersing themselves in the game, and shooting the ball better. And, they play pretty good defense and rebound pretty well. They appear well schooled in these areas. Billy's theory on passing was much like Barry Switzer (there are only 3 things that can happen when you pass and 2 are bad), he didn't like his kids doing it unless they had to. I also hate it when a pass is thrown into the post for purposes of running a play. Billy's post players went to a shot as a part of the catch or did an immediate relay of the ball to the wing when the other team doubled from the wing. Jennie plays a lot that way. So, in my eyes, there is a lot to like about the way the girls play.

However when they are passing the ball side to side the girls don't understand nor employ "flattening" of their defender and then releasing to the outside to catch the ball, and they are constantly getting defenders cutting in front in the passing lane and stealing the ball. On inbounds plays, they run a play but don't have a safe counter to just get the ball in. They don't seem to realize someone can just go get the ball if need be. The insanity of, in a pinch and late in the 5 seconds, throwing it into the backcourt, about 50% of the time to the other team, is maddening to me. Man, do they need some work on fundamental passing angles and dribbling "to nowhere". They have kids dribbling to the baseline and stopping outside the lane (exactly what every defense wants you to do) incessantly). Then, they have to throw the ball away or throw an unsafe lob wildly towards the other teams goal). I could go on, but won't. Fortunately, each game gives tape to look at and improve on and under Jennie they normally have improved over the course of each year. So, I am hopefully we can use a little better judgment.

 

[Soonerguy06]

I believe the only way to get these girls to make better decisions when on the court is to hold them accountable, which translates to restricted PT. There are certain players that make the same errors every single game, and it's as though they just expect the errors to turn into points at some point, which is insane. Perhaps it'll take a really good thumping by South Carolina before they decide to play smarter, idk. I agree with Cowboy, I've also decided to take a step back from watching every single game like I have for years and years and instead just follow it online. I will probably only start watching them again when I see that they are improving, as my blood pressure seriously can't handle any more of this type of play. The older I've gotten the more upset it seems to make me when they play so carelessly and especially when they lose games they really shouldn't. It's just not an enjoyable experience anymore. Can't remember if they played this way when SC was coaching and still worth anything, but I seriously doubt it.

 

[Soonerinkc]

I like Jennie as a coach and love the team. They play very hard and I appreciate the effort. I think they have a high ceiling. However, the constant mindless turnovers has necessitated me not watching them or listening to their games. I just keep checking the box score constantly through the game and keep up with it that way. This has made following them much more enjoyable for me. Probably safer for me too, the turnovers were blowing up my blood pressure even when we won.

I usually try and find highlights on youtube after the game which will let you watch the key plays. I know some of you are frustrated with the constant turnovers and, like with me, it detracts from the enjoyment of watching the game. You might try my approach. I like it. Hopefully, we will start playing a little smarter as the year goes on (we normally do) and I may try watching the games again.

The thing I like about Jennie the most as a coach is that, like Billy Tubbs, she does want anyone on the floor passing up an open shot that is within their skill set. 99% of all girls and boys coaches try and get a particular or better shot, and I just don't agree with that. Not surprisingly, and like with Tubbs teams, that freedom leads to the kids immersing themselves in the game, and shooting the ball better. And, they play pretty good defense and rebound pretty well. They appear well schooled in these areas. Billy's theory on passing was much like Barry Switzer (there are only 3 things that can happen when you pass and 2 are bad), he didn't like his kids doing it unless they had to. I also hate it when a pass is thrown into the post for purposes of running a play. Billy's post players went to a shot as a part of the catch or did an immediate relay of the ball to the wing when the other team doubled from the wing. Jennie plays a lot that way. So, in my eyes, there is a lot to like about the way the girls play.

However when they are passing the ball side to side the girls don't understand nor employ "flattening" of their defender and then releasing to the outside to catch the ball, and they are constantly getting defenders cutting in front in the passing lane and stealing the ball. On inbounds plays, they run a play but don't have a safe counter to just get the ball in. They don't seem to realize someone can just go get the ball if need be. The insanity of, in a pinch and late in the 5 seconds, throwing it into the backcourt, about 50% of the time to the other team, is maddening to me. Man, do they need some work on fundamental passing angles and dribbling "to nowhere". They have kids dribbling to the baseline and stopping outside the lane (exactly what every defense wants you to do) incessantly). Then, they have to throw the ball away or throw an unsafe lob wildly towards the other teams goal). I could go on, but won't. Fortunately, each game gives tape to look at and improve on and under Jennie they normally have improved over the course of each year. So, I am hopefully we can use a little better judgment.

Agree 100%…. But some posters on here don’t want to discuss the obvious. That’s their choice, as it is our choice to discuss these flaws.

Like you, with my experience, I just don’t get how the team can be making the same mistakes over and over. But I don’t get paid $800k? To coach this team.

lol