13-15 ouch!!!!!!!!

It reminds me of the football crowd over on the OF board. After Bomar played average football his 2nd yr, everyone was raving about how he would win the next heisman, etc. After he took the money and exposed himself as a selfish cheater, alot of the regulars bashed Stoops for not recruiting a better character guy.....

Sometimes it is obvious that a kid will not fit in with your program. Other times it isn't so obvious, and most good coaches believe that they can get the most out of a kid no matter what problems he or she has shown in HS.

If a player ranks as a Mickey D's AA, almost all coaches will take a chance on them and sign them, hoping that they mature in college. Our guys may still pan out, and everyone will crown Capel again.....

It reminds me more of the crowd on the Texas football boards. They celebrate recruiting NC's every year with little results on the field. This is what our basketball fanbase on this message board has become.

Congratulations.
 
Like I said in a thread a few weeks ago to this point, Cade Davis or Tony Crocker is the best Capel recruit after BG. Both have had better careers to this point than Tiny, TMG or WW. I think if TMG continues to improve, he will be the 2nd best recruit in the Capel era and maybe Taylor or Clark will jump ahead of him.

I've never gotten excited about recruiting because ultimately it's about results, and not expectation.

:lol
They have also had more time in the system. wow.
 
Booger, with all due respect, it is obvious that we are viewing this topic from different perspectives. I doubt that anyone here has said that Capel has done a great job this yr, and for sure no one is happy with how the top recruits have faired to date, but please do not sit here and act like recruiting rankings are not big to MOST people in all of the major sports. Heck, the major sports tv networks all have their own hs recruiting shows for hoops and football.

Again, no one knows how good any class will be. You spoke about waiting until the players play before passing judgement. Well of course that removes the need for all that goes into recruiting talk. I gurantee you that recruiting services pass judgement on a class long before the class hits campus. Sometimes they nail it, other times they miss badly. Capel went after several highly regarded recruits, and he got them. That is why people began to mention him as an expert recruiter. Alot of big time schools were after WW, TMG, and Tiny. I guess that none of those coaches had a clue that those guys would struggle with personal/team issues either, because everyone was after them. To sit here and act like Capel failed as a recruiter, AFTER seeing how those guys panned out is simply not being fair, IMO.

Exactly. 2 of the nation's premiere programs--KU and UConn--went after WW. Texas offered TMG as well. Great programs offered these guys, so its not like OU was taking a gigantic risk with them, unless you consider all the top programs doing so.
 
Exactly. 2 of the nation's premiere programs--KU and UConn--went after WW. Texas offered TMG as well. Great programs offered these guys, so its not like OU was taking a gigantic risk with them, unless you consider all the top programs doing so.

Tell me why Texas didn't offer WW? Probably because they knew he had a bad attitude.

Bill Self recruited Lance Stephenson who is considered a bigger headcase than WW could dream to be so he will take anybody, but the difference is he gets results on the court. He doesn't listen to hip-hop with them, he makes them hip-hop to his music and they do it and they win.
 
Correct. They have shown results on the court...something these high profile, whizzbang, top-notch, highly ranked, studs have yet to do.

They've done a lot more than Cade and Tony did their freshman seasons.
 
Tell me why Texas didn't offer WW? Probably because they knew he had a bad attitude.

Bill Self recruited Lance Stephenson who is considered a bigger headcase than WW could dream to be so he will take anybody, but the difference is he gets results on the court. He doesn't listen to hip-hop with them, he makes them hip-hop to his music and they do it and they win.

Willie wanted to go where he could play right away...Augustin wasn't a sure fire lock to go pro and you had A.J. Abrams in the backcourt with Mason getting a lot of PT. Not saying that WW's personality didn't have anything to do with it, but to place all the blame on that is pretty short-sighted.

I'm just laughing at your Bill Self analogy...that's a good one.
 
They've done a lot more than Cade and Tony did their freshman seasons.

Thank goodness each high school recruit get's 4 years if they want to use them. Who cares what they did after year 1 especially if the team is a loser.
 
Correct. They have shown results on the court...something these high profile, whizzbang, top-notch, highly ranked, studs have yet to do.

If these players were on any other team, I guarantee that you would be pissed at Capel for not getting them

Player A: Freshman
14 ppg
4.8 assists
42% 3 pts

Player B: Sophomore
16 ppg
4 asssists
3.3 rebounds

Player C: Freshman
10 ppg
8 rebounds
54% FG

Those are great numbers if you take the names out. To say that they haven't shown anything is idiotic, Boca
 
If these players were on any other team, I guarantee that you would be pissed at Capel for not getting them

Player A: Freshman
14 ppg
4.8 assists
42% 3 pts

Good year, but what's his defensive stats? What have the players he's guarded averaged? Every player he guarded abused him.

Player B: Sophomore
16 ppg
4 asssists
3.3 rebounds

How many games has he missed? Has he even played in 20 games this season?

Player C: Freshman
10 ppg
8 rebounds
54% FG

How many minutes per game has he logged? How often does he sit on the bench in foul trouble or in trouble off the court when his team needs him most?

The stats are good, but stats are for losers. Sorry.
 
Good year, but what's his defensive stats? What have the players he's guarded averaged? Every player he guarded abused him.
Not true. Again you have to remember he is a freshman.

How many games has he missed? Has he even played in 20 games this season?
Thanks for helping my case. He put up these numbers while playing hurt most of the season.

How many minutes per game has he logged? How often does he sit on the bench in foul trouble or in trouble off the court when his team needs him most?
again, thanks for helping with my point. he averaged that in 23 mpg, as a freshman.
The stats are good, but stats are for losers. Sorry.
haha you are so weak. Just like boca, there is no point in arguing with a brick wall. sad and pathetic.
 
Not true. Again you have to remember he is a freshman.


Thanks for helping my case. He put up these numbers while playing hurt most of the season.

again, thanks for helping with my point. he averaged that in 23 mpg, as a freshman.

haha you are so weak. Just like boca, there is no point in arguing with a brick wall. sad and pathetic.

Hurt? You think WW is hurt? That's the line Capel is giving because he doesn't want to say he's been suspended. He knows if he says WW is suspended then nobody will want to draft him and we are stuck with the headcase another year.

Both he and Tiny have produced some, I'll concede that. But too many issues off the court to ever consider either a success in college basketball to this point.
 
Hurt? You think WW is hurt? That's the line Capel is giving because he doesn't want to say he's been suspended. He knows if he says WW is suspended then nobody will want to draft him and we are stuck with the headcase another year.

:ez-laugh:
 
Tell me why Texas didn't offer WW? Probably because they knew he had a bad attitude.

I'll take 3 highly recognizable programs (and 2 of the best in the country in KU and UCONN) offers over 1 highly recognizable program failing to offer anytime. Obviously Calhoun and Self have respectable enough pedigrees to decipher if the recruit's attitude would be detrimental to the team. And they felt WW's wasn't. You basing Capel's decision on WW just because Texas didn't offer is flawed logic, at best.

Bill Self recruited Lance Stephenson who is considered a bigger headcase than WW could dream to be so he will take anybody, but the difference is he gets results on the court. He doesn't listen to hip-hop with them, he makes them hip-hop to his music and they do it and they win.

No disrespect, but this analysis is comical.
 
I'll take 3 highly recognizable programs (and 2 of the best in the country in KU and UCONN) offers over 1 highly recognizable program failing to offer anytime. Obviously Calhoun and Self have respectable enough pedigrees to decipher if the recruit's attitude would be detrimental to the team. And they felt WW's wasn't. You basing Capel's decision on WW just because Texas didn't offer is flawed logic, at best.



No disrespect, but this analysis is comical.

Your right, it probably is flawed. As just mentioned in another thread, as much as I think WW, and Tiny were overrated (TMG was just a 4 star; Tiny and WW were 5 star) my biggest beef with Capel's recruiting hasn't been the signing of these 3 prospects. Actually, my biggest beef is with all the misses -- Early, Neysmith, Cannon, Willis, Hardrick, Leary, Maze and Allen. That's 7 players he recruited that either left the program or will not contribute and that's way more than either of the previous 2 coaches ever had in a 3 year span.

BTW -- no disrespect taken. I kind of intended the analysis to be comical, but my point was Self has shown he can take malcontents and mold them into a team. He's a strict disciplinarian and Capel needs to take some lessons from him if he wants to succeed.
 
Your right, it probably is flawed. As just mentioned in another thread, as much as I think WW, and Tiny were overrated (TMG was just a 4 star; Tiny and WW were 5 star) my biggest beef with Capel's recruiting hasn't been the signing of these 3 prospects. Actually, my biggest beef is with all the misses -- Early, Neysmith, Cannon, Willis, Hardrick, Leary, Maze and Allen. That's 7 players he recruited that either left the program or will not contribute and that's way more than either of the previous 2 coaches ever had in a 3 year span.

I agree, his misses from the role players have hurt the program. Some of that is on him, some of that is on the players that weren't mature enough when they first came to college (such as Maze who is doing good at Top 15 squad Tennessee).

His aforementioned misses have been one of the reasons OU is struggling, but I have confidence he can bring OU back. He was the cornerstone for what VCU is now, and I think he's built good enough pieces in which we should be a serious squad in the 2011-2012 season. But you're right, right now he deserve some criticism for the misses as you touched on.
 
I agree, his misses from the role players have hurt the program. Some of that is on him, some of that is on the players that weren't mature enough when they first came to college (such as Maze who is doing good at Top 15 squad Tennessee).

His aforementioned misses have been one of the reasons OU is struggling, but I have confidence he can bring OU back. He was the cornerstone for what VCU is now, and I think he's built good enough pieces in which we should be a serious squad in the 2011-2012 season. But you're right, right now he deserve some criticism for the misses as you touched on.

I agree. Good post.
 
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