3 Seconds Calls in the KU Game

[steverocks35]

I was just sitting on my couch so I decided to rewatch every single KU possession and watch for 3 seconds calls that were missed. In the first half you could have legitimately called a 3 second violation on Azubuike 4 times. 2 times it didn’t affect the play, once he got an offensive rebound and putback and the last time it was called, which resulted in a KU turnover.

Getting called for 3 seconds seems to have gotten his attention because in the 2nd half there was only one clear 3 second violation that wasn’t called on him. He was in the lane for 2 seconds, caught the ball, made a move and scored. It took about 4 seconds.

I can see where people think he’s in the lane too long because every single play he runs to the front of the rim and posts up, but you can tell that he’s well-coached because he does a great job of moving his feet and getting out of the lane.

 

[MJSooner]

I haven't rewatched the game, but if you are calling it according to the rule, I cannot believe it is not in the double digits for the game, as I quit counting after about 10 times during the game.

I know the refs give latitude, like if a player is moving, or if he is attempting to get out of the lane, but the rule is if you have even just one foot in the lane, for at least 3 consecutive seconds, it is a violation. I guess it is like holding in football, it could probably be called every play. But if they are enforcing the rule, it doesn't have to be both feet in the lane, and it only resets when both feet are out of the lane. One foot in the lane for 3 consecutive seconds is a violation, even if he is looking at the wing. If he has one foot or both feet in the lane and catches the ball, it doesn't reset with the catch or if he dribbles. It is 3 consecutive seconds regardless.

As I posted in the game thread, if you allow that to happen, it forces our defense to sag, which opens up outside shots and driving lanes for the guards.

It's not WHY we lost, but it did impact the game.

Luckily, we won't have to worry about this kind of post-game, except WVa the rest of the way.

Whatever happened today in the game, or with Brady, we have to put it behind us as HAVE to go 1-1 next week as 0-2 is a potential scenerio. 2-0 would be great.

 

[CoachTalk]

One time they called it on him they weren’t going to call the 5 step pivot walk from Garrett. That pissed me off.

 

[steverocks35]

I haven't rewatched the game, but if you are calling it according to the rule, I cannot believe it is not in the double digits for the game, as I quit counting after about 10 times during the game.

I know the refs give latitude, like if a player is moving, or if he is attempting to get out of the lane, but the rule is if you have one foot in the lane, it is a violation if you have at least one foot in the lane for at least 3 consecutive seconds. I guess it is like holding in football, it could probably be called every play. But if they are enforcing the rule, it doesn't have to be both feet in the lane, and it only resets when both feet are out of the lane. One foot in the lane for 3 consecutive seconds is a violation, even if he is looking at the wing. If he has one foot or both feet in the lane and catches the ball, it doesn't reset with the catch or if he dribbles. It is 3 consecutive seconds regardless.

As I posted in the game thread, if you allow that to happen, it forces our defense to sag, which opens up outside shots and driving lanes for the guards.

It's not WHY we lost, but it did impact the game.

Dude, I just rewatched the entire thing. Of course there were lots of very close calls but he always got out of the lane or the shot was going up which negates the 3 seconds call.

 

[vbdad]

It is a huge part of the KU offense. He runs straight down the floor and sets up just to left of the basket. The smaller defenders who are bigs then push on him. They are tied up and have a tough time getting off him to defend Dotson’s drives. If they do get off it is passed for a dunk. If he was out of the lane it the defense would play off him and create more issues for Dotson. The lob would still be available but big Dok doesn’t move well from any distance so it would be more difficult.

 

[bob the nailer]

So KU gets lots of calls in Lawrence? Yea only for the last 30 years if not longer.
Our inability to score and defend is what lost us the game.

 

[usedtobe1]

I was just sitting on my couch so I decided to rewatch every single KU possession and watch for 3 seconds calls that were missed. In the first half you could have legitimately called a 3 second violation on Azubuike 4 times. 2 times it didn’t affect the play, once he got an offensive rebound and putback and the last time it was called, which resulted in a KU turnover.

Getting called for 3 seconds seems to have gotten his attention because in the 2nd half there was only one clear 3 second violation that wasn’t called on him. He was in the lane for 2 seconds, caught the ball, made a move and scored. It took about 4 seconds.

I can see where people think he’s in the lane too long because every single play he runs to the front of the rim and posts up, but you can tell that he’s well-coached because he does a great job of moving his feet and getting out of the lane.

On your point of him being in the lane for 2 seconds, catching the ball, and then making a move and scoring, the count is suspended while making a move and eventually scoring is not a violation. Now if he made the move and passed the ball (instead of shooting) he should have been called for the violation. Note, the count is suspended while he made his move.... not stopped and starting over on a pass. It’s retroactively applied. If he was in the lane for 2 seconds before catching the ball and beginning his move and spends 2 seconds on his move before the pass, then he has been in the lane for 4 seconds..... count was suspended but retroactively applied on the pass.

I was a JH, HS, AAU referee for thousands of games in my day. 3 seconds in the lane is a more complex rule than most people think.

 

[WTSooner]

So KU gets lots of calls in Lawrence? Yea only for the last 30 years if not longer.
Our inability to score and defend is what lost us the game.

Yep, defense and turnovers. It was a close game until late in the first when we turned it over a bunch on consecutive possessions.

We're up 3 with about 5:19 left in the first

Williams turns it over.
KU scores 2.
Harmon turns it over.
KU scores 2.
Doolittle turns it over.
KU scores 2.

Doolittle scored on the next OU possession, but the next 5 or so after that saw OU panic a bit on offense and take not the greatest of shots, which they missed. Game. Set. Match. KU.

 

[AdaSooner]

On your point of him being in the lane for 2 seconds, catching the ball, and then making a move and scoring, the count is suspended while making a move and eventually scoring is not a violation. Now if he made the move and passed the ball (instead of shooting) he should have been called for the violation. Note, the count is suspended while he made his move.... not stopped and starting over on a pass. It’s retroactively applied. If he was in the lane for 2 seconds before catching the ball and beginning his move and spends 2 seconds on his move before the pass, then he has been in the lane for 4 seconds..... count was suspended but retroactively applied on the pass.

I was a JH, HS, AAU referee for thousands of games in my day. 3 seconds in the lane is a more complex rule than most people think.

Glad you weighed in on this topic, usedtobe1. I officiated HS and JH ball for fifteen years. The majority of fans in the stands don’t have a clue about how the three second rule should be interpreted. Some coaches don’t either, or maybe they pretend not to know in trying to influence a call.

The rule is exactly as you described it at every level except the NBA. A three second call in the league is rare in today’s game.

 

[steverocks35]

On your point of him being in the lane for 2 seconds, catching the ball, and then making a move and scoring, the count is suspended while making a move and eventually scoring is not a violation. Now if he made the move and passed the ball (instead of shooting) he should have been called for the violation. Note, the count is suspended while he made his move.... not stopped and starting over on a pass. It’s retroactively applied. If he was in the lane for 2 seconds before catching the ball and beginning his move and spends 2 seconds on his move before the pass, then he has been in the lane for 4 seconds..... count was suspended but retroactively applied on the pass.

I was a JH, HS, AAU referee for thousands of games in my day. 3 seconds in the lane is a more complex rule than most people think.

Wow that’s great info, I didn’t know that. Thanks!