A Little Insight to Pat-Geno Feud!

[SoonerNorm]

I don't think anyone ever insinuated that Budke wasn't liked by other coaches. Fans had problems w/ Budke because of his revolving door for players. Budke was never anything but respectful towards opposing players and coaches. You simply can't say the same thing about Mulkey. You are comparing apples to oranges.

Fans criticized him for the actions of his players to the clothes he wore (not that different from Mulkey) so I would say I was comparing apples to apples.

Apparently the revolving door or his clothes or the actions of his players did not bother Sherri.

 

[MsProudSooner]

Fans criticized him for the actions of his players to the clothes he wore (not that different from Mulkey) so I would say I was comparing apples to apples.

Apparently the revolving door or his clothes or the actions of his players did not bother Sherri.

Do you honestly think that criticizing a hunter orange sport coat is comparable to criticizing Mulkey for b!tching about DRob being on the All Big XII Tournament team?

The only criticism of the two coaches that was remotely similar was in the way they handled their players when they slugged other players. I still think both coaches should have handled it differently, but at least Griner appears to have learned a lesson.

And none of this has anything to do with Pat Summit's attitude toward Mulkey.

 

[SoonerNorm]

Do you honestly think that criticizing a hunter orange sport coat is comparable to criticizing Mulkey for b!tching about DRob being on the All Big XII Tournament team?

The only criticism of the two coaches that was remotely similar was in the way they handled their players when they slugged other players. I still think both coaches should have handled it differently, but at least Griner appears to have learned a lesson.

And none of this has anything to do with Pat Summit's attitude toward Mulkey.

Yes it does. Some "assumed" that Sherri must dislike Budke as much as they did. Some are now assuming that Pat must dislike Mulkey as much as they do. Pat may love Kim. Pat may hate Kim. Unless Pat decides to break her silence, no one knows what her feelings are at this time.

 

[MsProudSooner]

Yes it does. Some "assumed" that Sherri must dislike Budke as much as they did. Some are now assuming that Pat must dislike Mulkey as much as they do. Pat may love Kim. Pat may hate Kim. Unless Pat decides to break her silence, no one knows what her feelings are at this time.

People based their opinion on the difference they noticed in the interactions between the Sherri & Kim before and after games, which you usually only see if you attend games. Prior to Niesha's failed 3 point attempt her freshman year, they seemed to be very cordial towards each other. After that game, Mulkey was obviously very irate in the post game handshake. Since then the demeanor pre and post game has changed.

People are basing their opinion of how Pat feels about Mulkey on what is known about her ethics. What you might call an educated guess.

Pat has problems with Geno because she considers some of his recruiting to be unethical.

Kim has been exposed for unethical recruiting.

Therefore, Pat probably doesn't care much for Kim any more. It's merely a logical assumption.

 

[SoonerTraveler]

For the women’s games at the LNC, I sit a few rows behind the visitor’s bench. All I know is that Kim is fun to watch on the sidelines during a game. She obviously hates to lose, and is as demonstratively competitive as any men’s or women’s coach I have seen up close as I sit near courtside

Over the years, I have also seen her “performance” at numerous post-game press conferences following games at the LNC, as these used to be shown live in the Courtside Club after the games. I have no way of knowing, but regarding Kim’s relationships with her peers in the coaching ranks, my GUESS is that she is no different than many coaches. Some of her peers like her, and some don’t. Just like every other profession.

Besides, if very few of Kim’s peers like her, I seriously doubt that Kim cares.

I like the fact that Kim is at Baylor. She is a very good coach. As an OU fan, it is a whole lot of fun to beat her team, when we can.

 

[SoonerNorm]

For the women’s games at the LNC, I sit a few rows behind the visitor’s bench. All I know is that Kim is fun to watch on the sidelines during a game. She obviously hates to lose, and is as demonstratively competitive as any men’s or women’s coach I have seen up close as I sit near courtside

Over the years, I have also seen her “performance” at numerous post-game press conferences following games at the LNC, as these used to be shown live in the Courtside Club after the games. I have no way of knowing, but regarding Kim’s relationships with her peers in the coaching ranks, my GUESS is that she is no different than many coaches. Some of her peers like her, and some don’t. Just like every other profession.

Besides, if very few of Kim’s peers like her, I seriously doubt that Kim cares.

I like the fact that Kim is at Baylor. She is a very good coach. As an OU fan, it is a whole lot of fun to beat her team, when we can.

Amen!

 

[NMSooner'80]

People based their opinion on the difference they noticed in the interactions between the Sherri & Kim before and after games, which you usually only see if you attend games. Prior to Niesha's failed 3 point attempt her freshman year, they seemed to be very cordial towards each other. After that game, Mulkey was obviously very irate in the post game handshake. Since then the demeanor pre and post game has changed.

People are basing their opinion of how Pat feels about Mulkey on what is known about her ethics. What you might call an educated guess.

Pat has problems with Geno because she considers some of his recruiting to be unethical.

Kim has been exposed for unethical recruiting.

Therefore, Pat probably doesn't care much for Kim any more. It's merely a logical assumption.

:clap :clap :clap

 

[sybarite]

It is, indeed, a logical assumption. But, it is more than just recruiting violations such as those of Geno. Let's not forget Sally Jenkins remarks:

It should be no consolation to Mulkey that her penalties are light. In a way, that’s the worst part. The NCAA accepted Baylor’s self-imposed punishment: Mulkey was stripped of two scholarships and forbidden from recruiting off campus this July. Which will hardly dissuade other coaches from employing the same tactics. What are a couple of lost scholarships and a month off the road compared with 40-0 and a national championship banner, with another one likely next season? The conclusion is that it’s entirely worth it to cheat.

This not to say the women’s game didn’t already have some impurities. There are plenty of infractions and improprieties. But for the most part the water is still drinkable. It would be nice to keep it that way, and not watch it become another toxic dump.

This is the game that, as the book relates, Pat spent a lifetime developing. Her attitude towards Geno was that what he was doing wasn't good for the game. Apparently, Sally doesn't think that what Kim is doing is good for the game. Is there a logical connection here as well?

Of course, this is the same team that has had a couple of players hit people. Is that good for the image of the game? Specifically, Pat had the Baylor players pull her guard's hair after yet another rumble with Sims. Think she thought that was good for the game?

I have shaken hands with many people that I despise in the course of business. It wasn't because I respected them or liked them. It was because I, for other reasons, respected the business situation. I think most coaches probably feel the same about Kim.

 

[brokebacksooner]

From Pat's book:

For all of that, Geno and I didn't socialize much; in all the years we competed, we had dinner just once, whereas I shared meals with other coaches regularly. Perhaps we should have done more of that and gotten to know the sides that people closest to us saw: the good parent, the funny cocktail companion, the generous colleague who helped younger coaches get their starts and inspired loyalty in staffs. We knew those sides existed, because people told us about them. But I'm not sure we ever met in the way we should have.

She coached KM on the Olympic team and KM refers to her as a "mentor" so I think she got to know KM on a personal level. While she may very well be disappointed in some of KM's antics, to say that she would look upon the recruiting concerns in the same light as she did Geno's doesn't mesh. I dislike KM's antics as much as the next guy, but until Pat publics says something critical about the AAU situation, recruiting as a mother, or someting directly pointed at KM, I'll continue to believe that she still considers KM a "friend" as far as KM can have friends.

 

[sybarite]

I don't think Pat will ever say anything about Kim. That's not what coaches do. I'm somewhat surprised that she spoke out against Geno. That was more of a directly competitive conflict. Had it not been Tenn/Uconn for Maya, I don't know that she would have said anything about that. But, you aren't going to convince me that Pat is proud of the behavior exhibited by Baylor.

 

[SoonerSpock]

People based their opinion on the difference they noticed in the interactions between the Sherri & Kim before and after games, which you usually only see if you attend games. Prior to Niesha's failed 3 point attempt her freshman year, they seemed to be very cordial towards each other. After that game, Mulkey was obviously very irate in the post game handshake. Since then the demeanor pre and post game has changed.

People are basing their opinion of how Pat feels about Mulkey on what is known about her ethics. What you might call an educated guess.

Pat has problems with Geno because she considers some of his recruiting to be unethical.

Kim has been exposed for unethical recruiting.

Therefore, Pat probably doesn't care much for Kim any more. It's merely a logical assumption.

We all know what we do when we ass u me.

 

[sybarite]

And, some don't even require the assumption.

 

[SoonerSpock]

And, some don't even require the assumption.

True some think they can read minds. You cannot deny that Kim violated some recruiting rules and the NCAA which knew all the facts deemed the punishment as adequate. We can accept or reject that as adequate or not but if it is inadequate that is a NCAA problem.

What we cannot do is know what Pat thinks of Kim. We might know what she probably thinks of her or what we think she should think of her but we know nothing. All we have is an opinion based on an assumption.

With Pat and Kim's long time close relationship Pat could well choose to be toward Kim as a parent would be toward a wayward child angered but still caring. A quality person does not give up on a decades long friend because of one or two transgressions. If so in reality they never were a friend and good riddance for Kim.

 

[35TangoTango]

I think the Pat-Geno feud doesn't hold a candle to the Spock-Syb feud. :ez-roll:

 

[SoonerShamrock]

I think the Pat-Geno feud doesn't hold a candle to the Spock-Syb feud. :ez-roll:

And just as the Pat-Geno feud never invaded my life, I've figured out a way to keep the Spock-Syb feud from doing so.

 

[Big12]

Sally Jenkins is not Pat Summit, and her opinion about Kim Mulkey is her own, not that of Pat. Why not quit speculating about Pat's opinion of Kim and consider what is known? For example, Pat refused to schedule any more games with Geno, but Tennessee has continued to schedule games with Baylor.

 

[badger]

Why not quit speculating about Pat's opinion of Kim

Well, the next Sooner game is still several days away. If "Boomer Sooner" had as many verses as "99 bottles of beer" we might have other ways to occupy that much time, but dag nabbit, there not only is only two versus, but VERY limited lyrics!

 

[True Colors]

Some people want soooooooooo badly to believe that Pat Summitt must despise Kim Mulkey.

It must be very bitter to accept that the exact opposite is actually true.

TC

 

[badger]

It must be very bitter to accept that the exact opposite is actually true.

Nah, if I was really bitter I'd call into question whether the coach responsible for ending this game's greatest annual rivalry game has the best interest of the game at heart anymore and thus, wonder whether her endorsement of your coach is really that worthwhile.

But I am not a bitter badger.

 

[sybarite]

Some people want soooooooooo badly to believe that Pat Summitt must despise Kim Mulkey.

It must be very bitter to accept that the exact opposite is actually true.

TC

Did you expect a slap in the face? Coaches don't do that. They are polite, well, except for....