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[tycat947]

Courtney is the greatest player to ever play Women's basketball at OU - and perhaps in the country. There is a reason why she became the first woman to be a 4 time All American.

Ashley did - without any doubt - become a better player as a senior than she had been before - while easily and happily admitting that she was a wonderful player all 4 years. She spent the summer in California - apparently under the mentoring of a coach out there. She did lose a bit of weight - or at least came back in September in terrific shape and more athletic appearing. There were articles in which she joked about trying to get Courtney to work a bit on conditioning. It was never unkind sounding, just two sisters teasing around.

The fact we didn't win a NC was not because of Courtney or Ashley. It was because we never had strong enough guard play those years to support what the twins could do. They were generally our main/only weapons.

It is almost impossible to win a NC without great guards and without excellent inside play. That is part of the reason (plus questionable coaching/stripping at times) why BU found it so hard to win a NC with Griner. They even struggle to get to the final four some years when measured by player accolades they should apparantly never lose.

Skeletor and Hypocrite U had a Top 5 high school player and first team All-American guard on their team for 3 of Griner's years (Odessey) and still only won once with Griner. Along with other very highly recruited players (most all from the AAU team where Skeletor's daughter played).

 

[soonerstar]

We had Danielle Robinson for 2 years with the twins, Rose Hammond 3 years, and Chelsi Welch and Erin Higgins for 2 years each. Not too shabby. Welch was an all American in high school. I saw her play in the all American game. Remember, Mulkey won a national championship earlier without Griner/Sims. Lets give credit when credit is due whrther we like her or not.

 

[soonerstar]

The players I listed were the guards during the Paris years that were supposed to be the weak links. We also had forwards Leah Rush for 2 years and Amanda Thompson for 3 years. Very good pklayers.

 

[euphguy]

First, I've seen Mandy Simpson listed at 6-0 to 6-2. Osahor isn't a bad rebounder, and she is only 6-3. Nina Davis is only 5-11 (I think), and she is pretty good. It's about attitude, and what Sherri indicated was that she goes to the boards.

:facepalm

 

[bob the nailer]

Nailer, you are so far off base until it's not even funny. IMHO...ALL of the guards "should" have made some improvement considering the HC/SC played the position; experience is always the best teacher. But overall and generally speaking, skill development appears to be lacking in Norman...for years!

You like many others (and too many men) judge CParis on her body type. She may not look how you want her to look while she's on the court kicking arses and taking names after the fact and helping to bring OU women's basketball national exposure. She may not look like you'd like when her OU, B12 and NCAA records are being set. But who has done it better at 100 pounds or 300? What more could she do for the program? AParis lost some weight her senior year but it had nothing to do with development. She was very successful her last two years without any continued development after high school. If she had been given the opportunity to play more/start her freshman and sophomore years...such as Georgia Coach Andy Landers stated after she put a whooping on his post players...she would be further up the list in stats and productivity at OU. She did in two years what most do not accomplish in four. And it is still my opinion (and many others in hoops circles) that OU would have at least one NC if AParis remained on the court during the Stanford Sweet 16 game. The bracket was made for OU that year!

CParis has been doing a great job in the WNBA and an even better job where they know how to use her skills in Europe. She plays nearly the entire game in the WNBA and Europe. What kind of "shape" do you want her to be? OR...do you want her looking like a Khardashian model when she's doing it? And clearly, CParis obviously does not care what you and others think about her body type (see article below).

There are lots of skinny well-conditioned athletes that have not accomplished squat for their college team. The last person you as an OU fan should have anything negative to say are the Paris twins; specifically CParis. I know it's been a long time, but remember when sponsors were glad to advertise, when season tickets took up the entire lower level except students, when LNC was packed out every game, when all of the games were nationally televised, when national media was in tune to what happens with OU WBB, money was pouring into the program....remember? It was 2005-2010...and now completely off the radar. When was the last time the NY Times wrote about anything in Norman that is positive?

Nailer, gain some knowledge before you speak/type. Here are a few pieces of information that might help you:

"Courtney Paris is averaging a phenomenal season double-double of 16.3 points and 13.7 boards per game across EuroLeague and EuroCup Women."
http://www.fiba.com/europe/eurocupw...emi-finals-first-leg-preview-tuesday-21-march

"Paris, a 19-year-old sophomore, said she did not generally care if people asked about her weight, saying, “It’s not like I can hide who I am.” She said she was proud and glad to be in game shape, but “being in shape and being conditioned well are things I really have to work on.”

"If Paris lost weight, “she might not be as strong or she might be distracted by trying to maintain the weight loss and might not perform as well,” said Thompson, an Oklahoma graduate who said he did not know Paris."
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/08/sports/ncaabasketball/08weight.html

Obviously they (Paris twins) did it right. And if it makes you feel better...SC said as much.
"If you do it right, there’s supposed to be some residual impact.”

"The Paris sisters might not have convinced Olajuwon to become a Sooner, but they opened her eyes to the possibility.

Ditto for Danielle Robinson.

Growing up in Northern California, she played for the same summer basketball program as the Paris twins. Even though Robinson was never on the same age-group team with them, she knew what kind of talent they had.

"To see them leave California and come to the Big 12 made me realize there’s bigger and better things away from home,” she said. "Once I stepped on campus, I knew this is where I wanted to be.”

http://newsok.com/article/3449751

...drop the mic!

Wow-jump back dude and lighten up before you personally attack me. First I said nothing negative about d rob. And it you want to have a personal love fest with cp3 be my guest. She is/was a great player but she wasn't significantly better when she finished than when she started thats my opinion to which I am entitled.
Get over yourself

 

[Hoopster]

Somebody above said Mulkey "only won once" with a lot of talent. Seriously? How many have we won? To me, the decision is this. We can continue along with Sherri Coale, getting decent players who work hard and don't cause any problems for the administration. Or, if we want to be a top level program we can get a new younger coach who will live and breathe the job 24-7 like Sherri did 15 years ago. SC has said publicly she doesnt like recruiting. Joe C is satisfied with what we have.

 

[soonerstar]

Somebody above said Mulkey "only won once" with a lot of talent. Seriously? How many have we won? To me, the decision is this. We can continue along with Sherri Coale, getting decent players who work hard and don't cause any problems for the administration. Or, if we want to be a top level program we can get a new younger coach who will live and breathe the job 24-7 like Sherri did 15 years ago. SC has said publicly she doesnt like recruiting. Joe C is satisfied with what we have.

Agree. Excellent post.

 

[inoref]

Somebody above said Mulkey "only won once" with a lot of talent. Seriously? How many have we won? To me, the decision is this. We can continue along with Sherri Coale, getting decent players who work hard and don't cause any problems for the administration. Or, if we want to be a top level program we can get a new younger coach who will live and breathe the job 24-7 like Sherri did 15 years ago. SC has said publicly she doesnt like recruiting. Joe C is satisfied with what we have.

I don't think Sherri is to old to coach. But looks to me she wants to do more of rubbing shoulders with donors, ballroom dancing, fancy dinners. While some other coaches in the Big 12 are out trying to find the next great player/players..doing what they were hired for..Again if Sherri is more important to OU doing the other things besides coaching...fine only let her do those things and leave coaching up to someone who wants to do it.

 

[Sweetest OU Girl]

Somebody above said Mulkey "only won once" with a lot of talent. Seriously? How many have we won? To me, the decision is this. We can continue along with Sherri Coale, getting decent players who work hard and don't cause any problems for the administration. Or, if we want to be a top level program we can get a new younger coach who will live and breathe the job 24-7 like Sherri did 15 years ago. SC has said publicly she doesnt like recruiting. Joe C is satisfied with what we have.

What he said was "and still only won once with Griner". Which is exactly the truth. Now why are you afraid to be truthful in quoting people?

He was making a point about what is needed to win a NC, while responding to some comments by other posters.

If you are correct that age is the issue, I call on you to list the ages of the coaches in the Sweet 16, and then list all the coaches - not in the Sweet 16 - who are under - say 35 - and what their teams did this year.

Then apologize for even thinking age is the key to winning a National Championship. You can have great coaches of any age.

 

[inoref]

What he said was "and still only won once with Griner". Which is exactly the truth. Now why are you afraid to be truthful in quoting people?

He was making a point about what is needed to win a NC, while responding to some comments by other posters.

If you are correct that age is the issue, I call on you to list the ages of the coaches in the Sweet 16, and then list all the coaches - not in the Sweet 16 - who are under - say 35 - and what their teams did this year.

Then apologize for even thinking age is the key to winning a National Championship. You can have great coaches of any age.

How many did we win with the Parris sisters..oh wait

 

[Soonerbay]

No way drob and amanda didn't improve. Courtney didn't but mostly her fault because she wouldn't get in shape. Look at the difference in Ashley Paris freshman to senior. Other than turnovers I don't have any issues with the way sherri coaches. It's the recruiting or lack thereof thats the problem

...AND, maybe this video will be another way to explain to you that people don't have to look like less than thought out societal standards to share their gift, whatever the gift may be. Aretha Franklin does not have the body shape of Celine Dion, yet her gift shines brightly and stirs the souls of those who love music. No one can take anything from MMoore who followed CParis as the 1st time 4 year All American. Completely different body types, yet successful in their own right and contributed mightily to their respective programs. Prejudice of any kind, IMO, is cause for reflection and adjustment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHsnZT7Z2yQ

 

[Sweetest OU Girl]

...AND, maybe this video will be another way to explain to you that people don't have to look like less than thought out societal standards to share their gift, whatever the gift may be. Aretha Franklin does not have the body shape of Celine Dion, yet her gift shines brightly and stirs the souls of those who love music. No one can take anything from MMoore who followed CParis as the 1st time 4 year All American. Completely different body types, yet successful in their own right and contributed mightily to their respective programs. Prejudice of any kind, IMO, is cause for reflection and adjustment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHsnZT7Z2yQ

Some great thoughts, SB.

I have always marveled at two things about Courtney. First her tremendous basketball skills, and second her wonderful personality. She was exactly what we would all hope for in our daughters.

I also sometimes smile when thinking about how Sherri understood exactly how to take advantage of her ability on the court. It is interesting how long it took the WNBA folks to be as wise about using Courtney as SC was immediately.

No one is perfect, but Courtney and Sherri are two women we can all take great pride in being on "our" team.

 

[j2d2]

Sherri is without question and excellent coach. She has an idea of the kind of player whe wants and doesnt like to recruit outside that framework. Rarely has that resulted in a Courtney Paris quality player. That will not change. unless she lucks out again.

 

[betterstill]

Will we be competitive with Baylor next year? Texas?

 

[soonerstar]

Will we be competitive with Baylor next year? Texas?

We play UCONN also. Ughh