Beat texas

[stormspencer]

I think it's unlikely they don't get in now. They'll beat WVU at home for sure. Could even be an 8/9

Based on the weakness of the bubble this year (and yes I know we repeat this mantra every year), we probably end up as at least a 9 seed (maybe better).....especially if we finish up the year 3-3.

 

[sheepdogs1]

Nope, but it does take a person being willfully ignorant of the process.

Hello!!!!!!!!!!! The selection committee continues to change the selection process, so it's unlike past methods where it stayed the same year after year.

 

[Eielson]

U r correct except for the fact that conference records are meaningless.

Meaningless is not the correct word.

 

[WaymanFan]

As stated countless times, if we go 7-11 and can't win a couple of games in the conference tournament, I HOPE TO BE WRONG and we get selected. I get that the selection criteria changes all the time, but as long as humans are deciding who gets in, it's hard to ignore what jumps out. I simply can't fathom any D-1 school making the NCAA tournament as an at-large going 1-10 (assuming 2nd round conference tournament loss) against the top half of the conference (we're 0-7 at the moment). It's just not something I thought would ever happen in my lifetime...but if it's going to happen one time, it may as well be OU!

 

[Ghost of Gar Heard]

Meaningless is not the correct word.

It means nothing more than non-conference record.

I'm sorry to break this to you, but OU has an excellent chance of having a below .500 conference record and making the tournament.

 

[SoonerTraveler]

https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2018-10-19/how-field-68-teams-picked-march-madness

RESOURCES - Committee members have a wide-range of observation, consultation and data resources available to them throughout the season and during selection week. These resources provide the foundation for a thorough and educated process that is reinforced by the committee member’s discussion and deliberation. Among the resources available to the committee are an extensive season-long evaluation of teams through watching games, conference monitoring calls and NABC regional advisory rankings; complete box scores and results, head-to-head results, results versus common opponents, imbalanced conference schedules and results, overall and non-conference strength of schedule, the quality of wins and losses, road record, player and coach availability and various computer metrics. Each of the 10 committee members uses these various resources to form their own opinions, resulting in the committee’s consensus position on teams’ selection and seeding.

I guess reading the above paragraph is open to interpretation, since the phrase "imbalanced conference schedules and results" is specifically mentioned by the NCAA in its "resources available" to the committee members in their discussion and deliberation.

Looking at that site, I could find nothing that specifically excluded "conference records" as a factor available for consideration by the committee members.

If the criteria are open to interpretation, then one can envision that some committee members may, in fact, utilize "conference record" in their vetting process.

Anyway, this issue does not appear to be absolutely cut-and dried as some here have stated.

In any event, I join with everyone that hopes the Sooners make the cut, no matter what criteria is actually used.

 

[Hollisp]

Meaningless is not the correct word.

Dude. Just stop. The selection committee doesn’t care one bit about conference records. Therefore, meaningless

 

[SoonerTraveler]

Dude. Just stop. The selection committee doesn’t care one bit about conference records. Therefore, meaningless

Is this a certain fact? I do not know. See above.

 

[Hollisp]

Is this a certain fact? I do not know. See above.

Yes it’s a fact. I can’t believe we are arguing this. I’m actually done talking about it. Sooners are in unless they lose to WVU.

Cya all on Monday.

 

[Ghost of Gar Heard]

Is this a certain fact? I do not know. See above.

Conference record doesn't matter. Who teams have played and beaten does matter.

 

[WichitaSooner]

Hello!!!!!!!!!!! The selection committee continues to change the selection process, so it's unlike past methods where it stayed the same year after year.

Who cares that is has changed? The current process has been cited, discussed, and linked to multiple times on this board. How many times do people need to read it to understand? Those who keep harping on conference record aren't confused, they simply choose to ignore reality. And citing our record against a certain subset of the conference, i.e., top half, is even dumber. Setting aside the fact that has never been a factor, it further ignores the fact that conferences don't have the same number of teams. So in a massive league like the ACC or SEC, beating a seventh place team would be a win against the top half, while a win over the sixth place team in the Big 12 wouldn't.

 

[sheepdogs1]

Who cares that is has changed? The current process has been cited, discussed, and linked to multiple times on this board. How many times do people need to read it to understand? Those who keep harping on conference record aren't confused, they simply choose to ignore reality. And citing our record against a certain subset of the conference, i.e., top half, is even dumber. Setting aside the fact that has never been a factor, it further ignores the fact that conferences don't have the same number of teams. So in a massive league like the ACC or SEC, beating a seventh place team would be a win against the top half, while a win over the sixth place team in the Big 12 wouldn't.

Right. And if the tax code changed routinely then obviously everyone would be on top of it. The more it changes the fewer people will be well versed and not the opposite. And when someone stated "meaningless" was not the appropriate word it sure looks like people misunderstood the implication.

 

[WichitaSooner]

Right. And if the tax code changed routinely then obviously everyone would be on top of it. The more it changes the fewer people will be well versed and not the opposite. And when someone stated "meaningless" was not the appropriate word it sure looks like people misunderstood the implication.

I didn't say everyone would. I wouldn't expect my 96-year-old grandmother, for example, to understand or know. But I would expect people who frequently post on a college basketball message board to know, especially when the point has been made dozens of times over the past month.

As far as the meaningless remark, it really isn't a difficult concept. Every game counts, so in that regard, no game is meaningless. But conference affiliation and record are, so the result of our game against Iowa State tomorrow means no more or less than if we were playing at Maryland.

 

[Hollisp]

I didn't say everyone would. I wouldn't expect my 96-year-old grandmother, for example, to understand or know. But I would expect people who frequently post on a college basketball message board to know, especially when the point has been made dozens of times over the past month.

As far as the meaningless remark, it really isn't a difficult concept. Every game counts, so in that regard, no game is meaningless. But conference affiliation and record are, so the result of our game against Iowa State tomorrow means no more or less than if we were playing at Maryland.

+1 You said it better than me.

 

[Eielson]

Dude. Just stop. The selection committee doesn’t care one bit about conference records. Therefore, meaningless

You sure are acting childish. I assume it's because you are young, so I will spare you a second of my time.

The NCAA tournament bracket is not filled by computers. If this were something like the BCS, then yes, you could throw around terms like meaningless if it wasn't included in the algorithm. It's not. Humans are involved, and humans are easily influenced. If we finish with a terrible conference record, they can't simply remove that from their mind. That's not how the human mind works. Even those that attempt to follow the rules set forth will be subconsciously influenced by it. Sure, nobody in the room will say "I think OU shouldn't be in because they have the all-time worst conference record of any at-large berth," but nothing is stopping them from saying "I watched them this year, and they just don't look like an NCAA tournament team to me." Everything matters when subjective criteria are part of the equation.

So again -- meaningless is not the word you're looking for.

 

[Hollisp]

You sure are acting childish. I assume it's because you are young, so I will spare you a second of my time.

The NCAA tournament bracket is not filled by computers. If this were something like the BCS, then yes, you could throw around terms like meaningless if it wasn't included in the algorithm. It's not. Humans are involved, and humans are easily influenced. If we finish with a terrible conference record, they can't simply remove that from their mind. That's not how the human mind works. Even those that attempt to follow the rules set forth will be subconsciously influenced by it. Sure, nobody in the room will say "I think OU shouldn't be in because they have the all-time worst conference record of any at-large berth," but nothing is stopping them from saying "I watched them this year, and they just don't look like an NCAA tournament team to me." Everything matters when subjective criteria are part of the equation.

So again -- meaningless is not the word you're looking for.

I feel old at 38. Kinda coming to terms with my mortality.

 

[WichitaSooner]

You sure are acting childish. I assume it's because you are young, so I will spare you a second of my time.

The NCAA tournament bracket is not filled by computers. If this were something like the BCS, then yes, you could throw around terms like meaningless if it wasn't included in the algorithm. It's not. Humans are involved, and humans are easily influenced. If we finish with a terrible conference record, they can't simply remove that from their mind. That's not how the human mind works. Even those that attempt to follow the rules set forth will be subconsciously influenced by it. Sure, nobody in the room will say "I think OU shouldn't be in because they have the all-time worst conference record of any at-large berth," but nothing is stopping them from saying "I watched them this year, and they just don't look like an NCAA tournament team to me." Everything matters when subjective criteria are part of the equation.

So again -- meaningless is not the word you're looking for.

7-11 wouldn't be the worst all time. This is another thing that's been pointed out multiple times.

 

[Eielson]

7-11 wouldn't be the worst all time. This is another thing that's been pointed out multiple times.

Who said OU is a lock to finish 7-11?

 

[Eielson]

But as a subpar internet message board warrior, I would like to know who got an at-large bid to the NCAA tournament with a worse than 7-11 record. Been a little busy living a real life and all.

 

[WichitaSooner]

But as a subpar internet message board warrior, I would like to know who got an at-large bid to the NCAA tournament with a worse than 7-11 record. Been a little busy living a real life and all.

No one said they are a lock. I, and many others, said they are going to make the tournament IF they win two more regular season games. You, and others, fight relentlessly against this for one reason or another.

Lol at your woe is me routine. But if you can't bother to read the relevant threads, I'll repeat it. ISU made it at 5-9 in the early 90s, and FSU made it a few years later at 6-10.