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[BCSooners]

But as a subpar internet message board warrior, I would like to know who got an at-large bid to the NCAA tournament with a worse than 7-11 record. Been a little busy living a real life and all.

So people aren’t living real life because they refute what you say? Add me to the list because the selection committee will have OU in if they win 2 more games in conference.

 

[Eielson]

So people aren’t living real life because they refute what you say? Add me to the list because the selection committee will have OU in if they win 2 more games in conference.

I never accused anybody of not having a real life. I simply have been busy with my own life, which has kept me from reading every single post on here, and thus I was unaware of what the all-time worst conference record was of an NCAA at-large berth.

 

[Eielson]

No one said they are a lock. I, and many others, said they are going to make the tournament IF they win two more regular season games. You, and others, fight relentlessly against this for one reason or another.

Quote where I said we wouldn't make the tournament at 7-11. I don't recall ever saying that.

But if you can't bother to read the relevant threads, I'll repeat it. ISU made it at 5-9 in the early 90s, and FSU made it a few years later at 6-10.

That's still better than 6-12, which is the record we'll have if we win just one more regular season game in addition to a first round conference tournament game. So my original post stands with no corrections necessary. We very well could set the record this year.

 

[oudna]

I didn’t realize Jaxson Hayes is Jonathan’s kid

 

[WaymanFan]

Quote where I said we wouldn't make the tournament at 7-11. I don't recall ever saying that.



That's still better than 6-12, which is the record we'll have if we win just one more regular season game in addition to a first round conference tournament game. So my original post stands with no corrections necessary. We very well could set the record this year.

As for 7-11, I'll admit I said it - with the condition we didn't win 2 games in the conference tournament. I also said I'll be glad to be wrong. I still think we need two total wins against the top half of the conference...for any team desiring to make the NCAA Tournament, it should be an easy accomplishment.


As for 6-12 with only one win in the conference tournament, that would mean we would finish 0-11 against the top half of the league. For all those who think it's a meaningless stat, PEOPLE (not computers) decide the field, and I would be shocked if it wasn't discussed. I still think 19-14 gets us a #2 or #3 seed in the NIT Tournament.

 

[WichitaSooner]

Quote where I said we wouldn't make the tournament at 7-11. I don't recall ever saying that.



That's still better than 6-12, which is the record we'll have if we win just one more regular season game in addition to a first round conference tournament game. So my original post stands with no corrections necessary. We very well could set the record this year.

What does your latter point have to do with this discussion? The entire conversation is about what will happen if we finish 7-11 in regular season. So what happens if we finish 6-12 is neither here nor there. I have acknowledged all along that if we go 1-3 in our last four, we would be on the bubble and would likely need other teams to lose, or would need to win a game or two in KC.

 

[Ghost of Gar Heard]

But as a subpar internet message board warrior, I would like to know who got an at-large bid to the NCAA tournament with a worse than 7-11 record. Been a little busy living a real life and all.

Do a google search. Why do you even care? It's irrelevant, as has been stated here myriad times.

 

[Eielson]

What does your latter point have to do with this discussion? The entire conversation is about what will happen if we finish 7-11 in regular season. So what happens if we finish 6-12 is neither here nor there. I have acknowledged all along that if we go 1-3 in our last four, we would be on the bubble and would likely need other teams to lose, or would need to win a game or two in KC.

So if we win 2 conference games, we're a lock, but if we win one conference and one tournament game we're not? Are you trying to say conference record matters now?

 

[Eielson]

Do a google search. Why do you even care? It's irrelevant, as has been stated here myriad times.

"The NCAA tournament bracket is not filled by computers. If this were something like the BCS, then yes, you could throw around terms like meaningless if it wasn't included in the algorithm. It's not. Humans are involved, and humans are easily influenced. If we finish with a terrible conference record, they can't simply remove that from their mind. That's not how the human mind works. Even those that attempt to follow the rules set forth will be subconsciously influenced by it. Sure, nobody in the room will say "I think OU shouldn't be in because they have the all-time worst conference record of any at-large berth," but nothing is stopping them from saying "I watched them this year, and they just don't look like an NCAA tournament team to me." Everything matters when subjective criteria are part of the equation."

 

[152219]

"The NCAA tournament bracket is not filled by computers. If this were something like the BCS, then yes, you could throw around terms like meaningless if it wasn't included in the algorithm. It's not. Humans are involved, and humans are easily influenced. If we finish with a terrible conference record, they can't simply remove that from their mind. That's not how the human mind works. Even those that attempt to follow the rules set forth will be subconsciously influenced by it. Sure, nobody in the room will say "I think OU shouldn't be in because they have the all-time worst conference record of any at-large berth," but nothing is stopping them from saying "I watched them this year, and they just don't look like an NCAA tournament team to me." Everything matters when subjective criteria are part of the equation."

Please give a list of bubble teams that are more deserving in your opinion.

 

[TulsaWorld]

Congrats on the win. Here's our postgame coverage...

The 69-67 victory over the Longhorns lifted the Sooners to 17-10 overall and 5-9 in the Big 12 Conference. The team that was in free-fall throughout late January and the first half of February had its first two-game winning streak in league play.

Securing it encapsulated the Sooners’ entire season in 40 minutes.

“The first 30 minutes I thought we were sharp,” Sooners coach Lon Kruger said. “Made a lot of shots. We were making plays for each other and (were) sharp defensively. Then when they started getting the ball inside the last 10 minutes, I thought we looked like we wished the clock would run out instead of continuing to play, which is never a good thing.”

And a preview of tonight from Eric Bailey...

NORMAN — Christian James is reaching the sunset of his Oklahoma basketball career.

The senior took time to reflect before Monday’s road game at Iowa State.

“Coach was just talking the other day and said we had 19 games left. Then 18 games. Now we have (four),” James said. “It’s tough. But it’s a great opportunity to be in this organization and play for the Sooners. We want to try to put more banners up.

“We have the opportunity. It’s all on us. We don’t want to let it slip. We want to seize the moment and the opportunity.”

 

[WichitaSooner]

So if we win 2 conference games, we're a lock, but if we win one conference and one tournament game we're not? Are you trying to say conference record matters now?

Man, it's hard to believe how dense you are being. If we finish by winning two of four to end the regular season, that means we will add at least one Quad 1 win to our resume. That would mean that going into KC, we would probably be in position for a low 8 or high 9 seed in the NCAA. In that scenario, a loss in the first round to OSU or West Virginia would certainly drop our seed, but not nearly enough to put us on the wrong side of the bubble. On the other hand, if we lose three of the next four, with only a win over West Virginia, we would head to KC very much on the edge. A first-round win over West Virginia or OSU wouldn't help much, if at all.

To sum up, since you appear to have difficulty grasping a simple concept -- no, I am not saying conference record matters. I am saying that who you beat matters.

 

[stormspencer]

Please give a list of bubble teams that are more deserving in your opinion.

I think I can help here. OU has a more "accomplished" (more Q1/Q2 wins) resume than the following bubble teams:
Washington
Florida
NC State
Texas
Utah State
Ole Miss
St. Mary's
TCU
Ohio State
Clemson
Syracuse
Seton Hall
Minnesota
UCF
Temple
Alabama

And from that list above, only Texas (4), Ole Miss (4), Ohio State (3), Syracuse (3), and Minnesota (3) have equal or slightly more Q-1 wins than us......btw, OU has (3) Q-1 wins.

As of now, we are in really good shape.

 

[thebigabd]

Agree, this team is in as long as they don't lose out.

 

[Eielson]

Please give a list of bubble teams that are more deserving in your opinion.

I've never said we won't make the NCAA tournament. Nor have I said that I hope we don't.

I have said that having a terrible conference record does matter, and that this team doesn't deserve to make the tournament (at this time). Big difference between what you deserve and what you get.

 

[152219]

I think I can help here. OU has a more "accomplished" (more Q1/Q2 wins) resume than the following bubble teams:
Washington
Florida
NC State
Texas
Utah State
Ole Miss
St. Mary's
TCU
Ohio State
Clemson
Syracuse
Seton Hall
Minnesota
UCF
Temple
Alabama

And from that list above, only Texas (4), Ole Miss (4), Ohio State (3), Syracuse (3), and Minnesota (3) have equal or slightly more Q-1 wins than us......btw, OU has (3) Q-1 wins.

As of now, we are in really good shape.

Was going to be my point obviously. And if you look at combined Q1 and 2 wins, OU has 10, which is close to the top for all the bubble teams (if you are counting potential 7-9 seeds as bubble teams). And like I stated in another thread, OU doesn't have a single Q3 or 4 loss. If OU doesn't lose to WVU at home they won't have a single bad loss all season, which isn't the same for any other team on that list if I recall correctly. All of that matters more than OU's W-L record in the Big 12.

OU CANNOT lose to WVU at home though.

 

[Hollisp]

I've never said we won't make the NCAA tournament. Nor have I said that I hope we don't.

I have said that having a terrible conference record does matter, and that this team doesn't deserve to make the tournament (at this time). Big difference between what you deserve and what you get.

Wow this is still being debated. Your “this team doesn’t deserve to make the tournament” statement is such a hot take. But I guess that’s why it’s on a message board.

You should go to http://www.bracketmatrix.com/ and see how out of touch that statement is with people that do brackets for a living. It’s as current as u can get so “at this time” you are in a very very small minority.

 

[sheepdogs1]

Wow this is still being debated. Your “this team doesn’t deserve to make the tournament” statement is such a hot take. But I guess that’s why it’s on a message board.

You should go to http://www.bracketmatrix.com/ and see how out of touch that statement is with people that do brackets for a living. It’s as current as u can get so “at this time” you are in a very very small minority.

It appears he provided a personal view on the situation as opposed to how others perceive the same situation.

 

[BCSooners]

Man, it's hard to believe how dense you are being. If we finish by winning two of four to end the regular season, that means we will add at least one Quad 1 win to our resume. That would mean that going into KC, we would probably be in position for a low 8 or high 9 seed in the NCAA. In that scenario, a loss in the first round to OSU or West Virginia would certainly drop our seed, but not nearly enough to put us on the wrong side of the bubble. On the other hand, if we lose three of the next four, with only a win over West Virginia, we would head to KC very much on the edge. A first-round win over West Virginia or OSU wouldn't help much, if at all.

To sum up, since you appear to have difficulty grasping a simple concept -- no, I am not saying conference record matters. I am saying that who you beat matters.

Bingo

 

[Hollisp]

It appears he provided a personal view on the situation as opposed to how others perceive the same situation.

Agreed. It’s a hot sports take that has no justifiable evidence to support the opinion. It’s what Skip Bayless and Jim Traber do everyday.