I agree defensively X's and O's he was. On the same token, he'd have to be considered poor offensively X's & O's. Throw in recruiting and that's why I never considered him great. Now talking strictly defense and getting kids to play hard he would be considered great but there is a whole lot more to coaching college than that. To be great I feel you must have the total package.
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I agree defensively X's and O's he was. On the same token, he'd have to be considered poor offensively X's & O's. Throw in recruiting and that's why I never considered him great. Now talking strictly defense and getting kids to play hard he would be considered great but there is a whole lot more to coaching college than that. To be great I feel you must have the total package.
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I don't know if he was as poor offensively as much as he was undermanned. Years when he had multiple scorers, OU was outstanding offensively. OU's best year was the rare time they had a deadly inside outside combo. Those three Hollis years, and the year OU had Terrell, Bookout, and Gray, they were very solid offensively. When he recruited poorly, he took the air out of the ball, ran the offense through one guy, generated points by having all players crash the offensive boards and emphasized tough, conservative halfcourt defense. The biggest X and O problem he had was not adjusting to the Kelvin drought when the teams would go ice cold and trying to find an easy way to score.
My point to you is there's a difference between team defense and individual defense. This year, OU played some good team defense and some poor team defense. OU had games when they played solid team defense. Even in some of those games, WW got lost on switches and screens. Also, to my point, UNC throughout the year was known as a horrible team defensively and it was deserved. Ty Lawson is a terrible defender and got victimized alot this year. When the Tourney hit, they put on the best defensive display that I saw in the NCAA tournament in years. Now does that mean RW wasnt a great coach until the tourney? NO. What it does mean is those guys didn't have a consistent effort and in Lawson's case, he was just a poor defender. When Capel has a little more capital to pull guys for playing bad, I think we'll have a true indication of what type of defensive coach he is. Also as OU builds a reputation in this league, they'll have leeway to rip flesh like Russell "fleshripper" Robinson, or Tyshawn "Fleshripper Jr" Taylor. If Capel continues with his improvement, OU might have the capital to assault, mug, and rape their opponents like KU did to OU, Rush's, Chalmer's, and Wright's freshman year.
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he's more like the exception that proves the rule.
and even drew is relatively successful.
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Yeah, it's not that cut and dry. Quite Frankly, Coach K hasn't had great defensive teams lately. I don't think that make him ungreat. If you want to talk about the Great coaches, Izzo, Coach K, Donovan, Self, Roy W, Pitino, Howland, Barnes, and Few, I wouldn't say defense is the common denominator as much as NBA talent and depth is. Matter of fact, Barnes and Donovan had horrible defensive years.
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lol @ "d em up"
you ku dorks aren't fooling anyone. the best teams have the best players. period. end of story. pervis pasco dunking in your face.
you ku dorks aren't fooling anyone. the best teams have the best players. period. end of story. pervis pasco dunking in your face.
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Fatty FTW once again.
Thanks for the laugh.
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This is how I see it:
Elite (national top 10 coach/recruiter)
Self
Barnes
On the Brink of Elite (national 10-25 coach/recruiter)
Capel
Building a solid program (consistent top 40 coach/recruiter)- will have a breakout year every 4 years or so.
Turgeon
Anderson
Ford
Drew
Martin
Unproven/Uncertain Future (can't recruit/win consistently enough to keep job)
Bzedelik
McDermott
Knight
Sadler
You can certainly make arguments that some of those bottom coaches are better strategicians than some of the coaches above them. But building a program is probably 70% recruiting consistency.
And there is no doubt that Self, Barnes, Capel, Drew, Ford, Martin and Turgeon have a leg up on recruiting.
I think Anderson is a wild card because his system allows him to recruit guys a little lower on the totem pole and still be successful.
But Bzedelik, McDermott, Knight and Sadler have not proven capable (yet) of sustaining any success with the types of players they are accumulating.
Elite (national top 10 coach/recruiter)
Self
Barnes
On the Brink of Elite (national 10-25 coach/recruiter)
Capel
Building a solid program (consistent top 40 coach/recruiter)- will have a breakout year every 4 years or so.
Turgeon
Anderson
Ford
Drew
Martin
Unproven/Uncertain Future (can't recruit/win consistently enough to keep job)
Bzedelik
McDermott
Knight
Sadler
You can certainly make arguments that some of those bottom coaches are better strategicians than some of the coaches above them. But building a program is probably 70% recruiting consistency.
And there is no doubt that Self, Barnes, Capel, Drew, Ford, Martin and Turgeon have a leg up on recruiting.
I think Anderson is a wild card because his system allows him to recruit guys a little lower on the totem pole and still be successful.
But Bzedelik, McDermott, Knight and Sadler have not proven capable (yet) of sustaining any success with the types of players they are accumulating.
