Bob Knight

I miss Fran.

This.

Old Man Musburger and Knight are horrible.

Why ESPN felt the need to break up a great team like Ron Franklin and Fran, who really knows the Big 12, is beyond me.

You can really tell that Knight does little to no pre-work for his analysis. He just watches the games and makes numerous innane, obvious remarks that anyone who watches a lot of college basketball could make.

Fran, on the other hand, clearly watches lots of games and makes numerous team-specific comments, based on what he's seen in the past.

And don't get me started on Musburger. I thought they just dusted him off every August for the college football season. His basketball play-by-play is awful.

Just another example of ESPN F-ing with the Big 12. Do you think they would EVER replace Rafferty/Bilas on the Big East's Big Monday slot with Old Man Musburger and Knight? Hell no.
 
Fran sucks...there are people on this site who can do what he does. Read some scouting reports, practice in front of a camera and then feed off the lines Franklin throws out. He has little to no credibility with me after destroying UNM's program and basically running the Mizzou equivalent in Albuquerque.

Knight says some stupid stuff (see: Cade Davis never plays much from last night) but I can filter that out for the many good, basketball analysis he brings.
 
Like he is the only announcer that screws up during his commentating.

Of course every analyst is going to screw up some times. That's not what makes him bad.

What makes him bad is that his "analysis" is not team-specific, becuase he clearly doesn't do his homework like Fran does.

He sees the little things that are making a team win or lose and he points it out.

Yeah... like "pump-fake to get the defender in the air"... or "an extra pass will help get a shooter open".... dynamite analysis.
 
Fran, on the other hand, clearly watches lots of games and makes numerous team-specific comments, based on what he's seen in the past.

Wow, I couldn't disagree more. I agree that Knight probably isn't doing as much homework as he should, but what he adds to the game, I like. A lot. Regardless of whether you like him or not, he is one of the best coaches in the history of the game. Fran, on the other hand, sucked. So who's opinion of the game of basketball is worth more? I know my answer.
 
One thing I love about Bob Knight is that he doesn't nitpick certain things like many other announcers due.

wow, really? this is my main beef with him. he finds the stupidest, most pointless point and talks about it forever.
 
Knight is very good if you are a coach or true student of the game. He can point out mistakes players/teams make as they are making them. Lack of help D, D player position on an inbound pass, ball screens, cuts, ball movement. Listening to him during 2 OU games made it clear why we are struggling, the lack of BB knowledge and confusion, We make poor decisions on both ends of the court and have no idea what we are trying to do on offense. The guy is really good from a coaching aspect.
 
I think the only thing Knight ever points out are the obvious things. I believe he does give alot of insight but for entertainment purposes he is a horrible announcer.
 
I think the only thing Knight ever points out are the obvious things. I believe he does give alot of insight but for entertainment purposes he is a horrible announcer.

Maybe that's why some of us disagree about him. I don't care about the 'entertainment purposes' of the announcer.
 
Wow, I couldn't disagree more. I agree that Knight probably isn't doing as much homework as he should, but what he adds to the game, I like. A lot. Regardless of whether you like him or not, he is one of the best coaches in the history of the game. Fran, on the other hand, sucked. So who's opinion of the game of basketball is worth more? I know my answer.

Their coaching resumes are irrlevant to me.

You could have John Freaking Wooden doing the games, but if he never watches the teams in question play -- other than when he's doing the games -- he's just not going to add anything interesting, in my opinion.

I don't need Bob Knight to tell me that a pump-fake will get the defender in the air, or an extra pass will help get a shooter open, or sometimes a team will let up after getting a big lead (a gem from last night). Anybody who has watched college basketball consistently for more than a year knows these things.

Using last night's example... here's what I'm talking about.

Bob Knight analysis: "Sometimes teams build a big lead and the natural tendancy is to let up a little bit."

Instead of that, how about something like this:

"This is very similar to what happened to Kansas in the [whatever] game. However, they were able to get back on track by [doing whatever]."

This latter analysis is something I hear Fran do all the time. It's the difference between some generic analysis and and an interesting, team-specific analysis.

I'm not saying Fran is perfect, because he isn't. He's apt to make some of the same generic comments.

But at the same time I do feel like he watches more games than just the ones that he calls. Because I hear him point specific comments out about a given team's performance in past games... things that you would only get from watching them, not just scanning the box score.

Also, let me say that DO very much enjoy Knight in the studio. I think he's a fresh and (often) hilarious addition to ESPN's studio show... I just don't like him doing games.
 
Maybe that's why some of us disagree about him. I don't care about the 'entertainment purposes' of the announcer.

Couldn't agree more.

I get annoyed at announcers that try to entertain me. Tell me what is happening, do so in an unbiased way, and let me watch the darn game. That is why I can't stand Dick Vitale.
 
Couldn't agree more.

I get annoyed at announcers that try to entertain me. Tell me what is happening, do so in an unbiased way, and let me watch the darn game. That is why I can't stand Dick Vitale.

I think we can all gree that Vitale sucks.

:)
 
This.

Old Man Musburger and Knight are horrible.

Why ESPN felt the need to break up a great team like Ron Franklin and Fran, who really knows the Big 12, is beyond me.

You can really tell that Knight does little to no pre-work for his analysis. He just watches the games and makes numerous innane, obvious remarks that anyone who watches a lot of college basketball could make.

Fran, on the other hand, clearly watches lots of games and makes numerous team-specific comments, based on what he's seen in the past.

And don't get me started on Musburger. I thought they just dusted him off every August for the college football season. His basketball play-by-play is awful.

Just another example of ESPN F-ing with the Big 12. Do you think they would EVER replace Rafferty/Bilas on the Big East's Big Monday slot with Old Man Musburger and Knight? Hell no.

But I'm sure if Bob Knight played for OSU he would be infallible of making mistakes as an analyst, just as Doug Gottleib is, right?
 
Well he is still a horrible commentator. not just b/c he is annoying. that is all.

He throws out some great analysis here and there, but he really is terrible.

It often seems like he just gets a queue and starts reading script from a teleprompter whether it is related to the flow of the game or not.
 
But I'm sure if Bob Knight played for OSU he would be infallible of making mistakes as an analyst, just as Doug Gottleib is, right?

Yes. That's exactly right.

The only reason that I think Doug Gottlieb is a good analyst is because he went to OSU.

It has absolutley nothing at all to do with his encycolpedia-like knowledge of basketball.
 
That's what I figured when you were discussing his Willie Warren article.


Yeah... you're right. Gottleib clearly is making up stuff about Warren because he went to OSU and hates OU.

And I only like Gottlieb and think everything he says is 100% correct because he went to OSU.

You have figured it all out.

Your powers of deduction are astonishing.
 
Did you guys know that Cade Davis is one of the best in the big 12 coming off the bench?
 
I think some of you let your dislike of Knight as an opposing coach get in the way of objectivity.

Knight does make some misstatements but he adds a lot to the broadcast.

He doesn't gush the way that Vitale and even Fran does.

He also doesn't play favorites to any team or any star player. He just calls it the way he sees it and will criticize a star as quickly as a walkon.

As a former coach I can tell you that if you really listen to him you will develop a good understanding of the game.

He is also pretty fair with officials but it was clear last night that he has very little use for Hightower and I think I get a hint from his comments that he doesn't care for the preferential treatment that Texas gets.
 
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