Boca's right, it's all coming together.

Some coaches can do more with less. Some coaches can't, and must have superior talent to win. Or, so it seems.

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Cheno said:
Well it's been the argument for many here for years in regards to Rick Barnes. Which is it?
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I don't know what arguments have been made, but you have to have players to win. Seems pretty cut and dried to me.
 
BOB the answer to your question is 100% yes. I attended OU when Coach Sampson first got to OU. I was a huge fan of his when he got there and also got to talk to him several times because of a group I was affiliated with in school. Over the years his brand of basketball became outdated to me and when he spent to much time with Ma Bell and got the school in trouble that did it for me. If Felton Jeffery Capel is fired, which he won't. I will support this program just like I have for years as a student and now an alumni. By the way it's going to take something really earth shattering to get Coach Capel fired and from what I hear that something will not happen. BOOMER SOONER BABY!!!
 
Mr.B!!! said:
BTW Quick, do you think Poppa Griffin would have any interest in being an assistant at OU? I have a hunch that would be one of the all-time hires if it could be made. Talk about the ability to walk into any home in the country and get respect, long time coach and educator, raised two sons who are now in the NBA, and neither have the "punk" stigma attached to them. If Coach O was making $185,000, TG would be worth AT LEAST that amount of $$$.
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I'm not sure if he does now but he was at one time interested back when Taylor and Blake was here. I would LOVE to have him as an assistant at OU.
 
Ill support OU athletics no matter what, but anyone that thinks that OU basketball is headed in the right direction is fooling themselves.

The thing thats going on with OU basketball is, Jeff is struggling to sign any quality players. How does Capel expect OU to be competitive with its current roster?
 
Mr.B!!! said:
And on and on and on.

How many coaches win without good players; pretty retard argument in my opinion.
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Of course all coaches need good players to win.

But not all coaches need the #1 overall pick in the NBA draft to win.

That would be the difference.
 
oSuJeff97 said:
Of course all coaches need good players to win.

But not all coaches need the #1 overall pick in the NBA draft to win.

That would be the difference.
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I believe the great coaches bring in the great talent and are able to coach the great talent

In my opinion coaching is divided up almost evenly into 1) recruiting 2) coaching

The great coaches can do both (obviously one persons idea of talent (what fits in their system) may be different then another)
 
Romulus said:
you know better than that
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No I don't, and neither do you. The guy had surgery to repair an ankle and went from being one of the most explosive freshmen players in the country to a guy that had like two dunks all of last year.
 
Mr.B!!! said:
No I don't, and neither do you. The guy had surgery to repair an ankle and went from being one of the most explosive freshmen players in the country to a guy that had like two dunks all of last year.
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Dunks don't make you a top pick...sorry. His game didn't improve from year 1 to year 2. Not sure if it was Capel's fault, but if you want to give Capel the credit for Blake's improvement from year 1 to year 2, then you also have to give him the credit for WW's decline from year 1 to year 2.
 
I think it has less to do with talent and more to do with desire. Capel can coach up guys that want to be coached (Longar, Taylor, Blake, Crocker, AJ, Cade), but he can't seem to reach guys that don't care (WW, TMG, Tiny, etc.). A coach has to be able to reach those tough cases. That's what makes you a good coach. Maybe Capel can learn how to do this. I just don't know, if he'll get a chance to use that knowledge here.
 
boksooner said:
I think it has less to do with talent and more to do with desire. Capel can coach up guys that want to be coached (Longar, Taylor, Blake, Crocker, AJ, Cade), but he can't seem to reach guys that don't care (WW, TMG, Tiny, etc.). A coach has to be able to reach those tough cases. That's what makes you a good coach. Maybe Capel can learn how to do this. I just don't know, if he'll get a chance to use that knowledge here.
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IMO, Crocker didn't improve very much when he was here, so to give Capel credit for Crocker's improvement just isn't saying much. I'd say the same thing for AJ. They were solid players, but they weren't any better in their final game than they were in their frosh season.

Longar definitely improved...I think he always had the physical skills but mentally he was toast under Sampson. I'm sure Capel's demeanor helped Longar as much as anything and probably some of Cline's coaching, who I think is a solid assistant coach, probably our best on the staff.

Personally, I didn't think Taylor improved much offensively either. He was still clanging shots off the backboard his sr. year, but he has so many physical tools he was able to overcome some of his offensive shortfalls.

Cade has improved...he's still not a great 3 point shooter, but he does other things better. I'd like to see them work with him more on driving to the basket and drawing the foul, like Minor used to do a lot.
 
I will give you Crocker, but to say that AJ and Taylor didn't improve is just silly.
 
Big Old Booger said:
Dunks don't make you a top pick...sorry. His game didn't improve from year 1 to year 2. Not sure if it was Capel's fault, but if you want to give Capel the credit for Blake's improvement from year 1 to year 2, then you also have to give him the credit for WW's decline from year 1 to year 2.
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But dunks are an indicator of explosiveness, something that WWIII lacked all season IMHO. That said, your point is duly noted.
 
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